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    Colt 1851 Navy loading

    I have a Uberti Replica of the Colt 1851 Navy .36. The ball ammo that is normally shot in this gun is (I think) something like 80 gr bullets. I was wondering, since I am able to shoot cowboy action .38 Long Colts 158 gr in it with an adapted cartridge cylinder could I buy 158 gr LRN bullets and shoot those ball and cap.

    Often I will forego the wad between the powder and ball in ONE CHAMBER ONLY and cram as much black powder (clean shot powder) in it as I can. (even having to cut a little off the tip of the ball in order to turn the cylinder every now and then once I get it all in there.) Needless to say, I get a pretty big pop from this [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]. But sometimes the cylinder will jolt free of the bolt after the discharge.

    Will using 158 gr bullets pose any danger to me or the gun?

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    Re: Colt 1851 Navy loading

    My concern here is experimenting with a weakly designed open frame revolver . Perfectly capable of handling recommended loads , but when you start guessing , I'm concerned for your safety especially after I read the below comments . Buffalo Bullet Co makes a conical 125gr bullet .
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    But sometimes the cylinder will jolt free of the bolt after the discharge.


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    Re: Colt 1851 Navy loading

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    .....sometimes the cylinder will jolt free of the bolt after the discharge.

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    That alone should tell you something.

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    Re: Colt 1851 Navy loading

    I think Darwin may be at work here, and that's okay. However, I worry about the folks who might be in the vacinity. They might be the next great advance in human evolution.
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    Re: Colt 1851 Navy loading

    hold up y'all. I am not dumping anything into this gun that isn't recommended. (No smokeless powder, no Buffalo Bore or anything blazing hot mean't for modern handguns). I'm just experimenting with black powder...period.

    Forgoing the wads is something our ancestors did all the time. They crammed powder into it and put the ball on top on all six cylinders (putting grease on the front of the cylinder to prevent all chambers from discharging at once. In fact...they did it on not only the .36 navy...but with the .44 Army (same size cylinder with much larger chambers and heavier bullets).

    And I'm not guessing, I'm theorizing and asking questions based on what the gun has shot before under one circumstance and wondering if it can do the same under another set of circumstances.

    As for the cylinder jolting free of the bolt....I THINK that's what has happened before...but as I work the gun in my hands now, I don't see how that could have happened because that cylinder will not budge from the bolt no matter how hard I rock it side to side with my hands. Maybe I just fail to cock it all the way before and the gun discharged on an unsecured cylinder (yikes...glad I wear eye protection)

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    Re: Colt 1851 Navy loading

    What I have had happen either on my Colt navy or Ruger old army, is that the percusssion cap blew back enough to start the cylinder rotation. In fact, I am pretty sure it was the Colt navy as I was crimping the number 11 caps to fit on the Navy's nipples that were designed for the number 10 caps.
    The conical bullet for the 36 caliber guns maybe weighed 100 grs. compaired to the 80 grain round ball. A 158 grain 38 bullet will be undersized and won't leave much room for powder.

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    Re: Colt 1851 Navy loading

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    ... A 158 grain 38 bullet will be undersized and won't leave much room for powder.

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    I hadn't thought about bullet diameter . Most 36 cal revolvers I've seen require a .375" ball to get a good seal in the chamber . The std 38 centerfire bullet is maybe .357-358 .
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    Re: Colt 1851 Navy loading

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    ... A 158 grain 38 bullet will be undersized and won't leave much room for powder.

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    I hadn't thought about bullet diameter . Most 36 cal revolvers I've seen require a .375" ball to get a good seal in the chamber . The std 38 centerfire bullet is maybe .357-358 .

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    Also, isn't the round ball made of a softer lead than a smokeless projectile?

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    Re: Colt 1851 Navy loading

    Most all round ball are indeed pure lead . Cartridge bullets are usually alloyed with a harder metal . Good point .
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    Re: Colt 1851 Navy loading

    But the .38 Long Colt uses 158 gr bullets and that can fit and be shot in a 1851 .36 adapter or converted gun.


 

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