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    "Arming The West"

    picked up this book by h.g. houze after someone here recomended it. containing western shipping records for the new york firm of schuyler, hartley & graham from 1868 to 1886.

    first off there are NO colt serial numbers listed in this book, nor was i able to find that the company shipped any cartridge firing colt pistols west. their most popular revolver was the 1858 remington cap and ball, and shipments of these continued well into the cartridge era.

    in addition to the remingtons, revolvers by adams, lefaucheux, starr and walsh were shipped. colt is represented by 181 percussion revolvers of all types.

    and while there were some winchester 66 and 73 models shipped, the overwhelming majority of long guns sent west by the company were smoothbore military muskets, primarily of the 1822 and 1842 patterns. thousands and thousands of these went west. sharps rifles far outnumbered winchesters in the shipping records and spencer and remington rifles and carbines weren't far behind.

    so while it is basically useless to the colt collector, the book is interesting to the student of the western frontier who has watched too many movies and thinks that the colt saa and the winchester 73 were the primary arms in use.

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    yep, absolutely useless. Sorry I bought it. Poorly organized. I have hundreds of gun books and this is one of the worst.

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    Marcellus Hartley, of the afore-mentioned SH& G, basically owned Remington from about the mid-1880s. Probably didn't want to do anything to promote the "opposition"- Colt.

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    The book covers only the shipping records from the firm's military surplus side of the business. It doesn't cover shipments from the firm's "new" production retail side. That is why no new Colts, Remingtons, and other contemporary arms appear in the shipments reported. So the book is of no use if your trying to see where or to whom the firm shipped contemporary Colt firearms. Still the book provides interesting information regarding what surplus arms were shipped and to what retailers. In addition it provides useful information about the stores who purchased arms from S,G & E. Also, while most of the photos illustrating the book have been published before, I found the quality of their reproduction in the book surprisingly good.

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    Wish I had read this before I got my book today. No Colt serial nubbers at all....what a waste to the person trying to track a vintage Colt from Hartley & Graham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRush View Post
    The book covers only the shipping records from the firm's military surplus side of the business. It doesn't cover shipments from the firm's "new" production retail side. That is why no new Colts, Remingtons, and other contemporary arms appear in the shipments reported. So the book is of no use if your trying to see where or to whom the firm shipped contemporary Colt firearms. Still the book provides interesting information regarding what surplus arms were shipped and to what retailers. In addition it provides useful information about the stores who purchased arms from S,G & E. Also, while most of the photos illustrating the book have been published before, I found the quality of their reproduction in the book surprisingly good.
    Not true. Read the book again. The book is enlightening as many will realize that most people at that time didn't have $40 to spend on a new Win. and most used cheap basic firearms for defense and hunting just as today. There are new Winchesters & Colts listed but at that time there was no ATF & serial #'s were of no importance except to the maker & the Military. The book is a list of the shipping records. It is a primary historical treatise so to speak that speaks volumes to those who can interpret it. It is snapshot in time for the historian.

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    this thread was started, nearly four years ago, after someone in another thread recommended the book as being of use to colt collectors here on this forum made up of colt collectors. while it is perhaps of some use to historians of the frontier in general, it is completely useless for collectors whose saa's are listed as being shipped to hartley & graham and were hoping for some information on where it might have been shipped subsequently.

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    Amen!


 

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