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    Colt 1909 military revolver

    How long did Colt manufacture the 1909 revolver (.45L.C.) and how many were produced? My 1909 was manufactured in 1911, Serial No. 41112. Thanks Henri

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    According to Murphy, one source states that 18,303 Models of 1909 were made, while another source states only 13,000 were made. The first Model of 1909 shipped May 28, 1909 and the last one (serial number 49,503) shipped September 13, 1911.

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    By "the 1909 revolver" do you mean the "Colt's Double-Action Revolver, Caliber .45, Model of 1909" as purchase by the United States of America military OR the commerical Colt New Service revolver in .45 Colt? If you mean the military Model of 1909 they were sold to the USA military between 1909 and 1911. The U. S. Army purchase approximately 18,300; the U. S. Navy purchased approximately 1,100; the U. S. Marines purchased approximately 1,300. If you are talking about the commerical Colt New Service revolver they were manufactured from 1898 to 1944 and approximately 355,000 were produced (this includes M1909's and M1917's). What percentage of the 355,000 were in .45 Colt I don't have that information.
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    I took Henri to mean what was posted, which was about how long the Model of 1909 was made. Henri apparently owns a Model of 1909, serial number 41112 made in 1911. (Again, proper nomenclature would have made the question more clear, but there is less misuse of the term "1909" than there is of the term "1911" when applied to a Colt.)

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    The problem with the "1911" designation, while it actually only applies to the Model of 1911 as used by the United States, it has become the accepted term of reference to any type of 1911 / Goverment Model pistol.
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    The military Colt M1909 revolver did not actually use the .45 Colt cartridge, although the .45 Colt cartridge can be used with it. The actual military cartridge intended for the M1909 revolver has a rim diameter that is somewhat greater than the .45 Colt's. Frankford Arsenal was the only manufacturer of that ammunition, and it is somewhat rare. By the way, there is no such cartridge as the .45 Long Colt, only the .45 Colt. The .45 Long Colt term was the invention of some gun writers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWalt View Post
    The military Colt M1909 revolver did not actually use the .45 Colt cartridge, although the .45 Colt cartridge can be used with it. The actual military cartridge intended for the M1909 revolver has a rim diameter that is somewhat greater than the .45 Colt's. Frankford Arsenal was the only manufacturer of that ammunition, and it is somewhat rare. By the way, there is no such cartridge as the .45 Long Colt, only the .45 Colt. The .45 Long Colt term was the invention of some gun writers.
    DWalt:Every time I try to correct someone about the term .45 LC,they'll say oh no my granpa used to say that or some such other drivvel,then I'll tell them look on a factory cartridge box or in a re-loading manual,the term .45 LC DOESN'T exist,John Taffin & I have been friends for many years & it's one of his pet peeves too,he has given up trying to correct people as I have,I look @ it this way,in order to win an argument w/an uniformed person u have to reduce yourself to their level but you'll never win because they have far more experience @ being un-informed than u do.
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    Where are all of you nomenclature purists when someone mentions a Pre-Series 70 1911 Lightweight Commander, etc.? The Nomenclature Police could sure use the help! The worst nomenclature crime by far is the misuse of the term "1911." Come on! Correct and serve!

    I am not sure the term ".45 Long Colt" is a gun-writer invention. I suspect it originated to more clearly distinguish the .45 Colt round from the very short .45 Schofield round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeColt View Post
    Where are all of you nomenclature purists when someone mentions a Pre-Series 70 1911 Lightweight Commander, etc.? The Nomenclature Police could sure use the help! The worst nomenclature crime by far is the misuse of the term "1911." Come on! Correct and serve!

    I am not sure the term ".45 Long Colt" is a gun-writer invention. I suspect it originated to more clearly distinguish the .45 Colt round from the very short .45 Schofield round.
    I agree. The Army 45 SW top break revolvers couldn't use the regular Colt cartridge so they made the shorter version which the Army used for all 45 revolvers. The 45 Long Colt terminology originated among GI's familiar with the usual issue Schofield ammunition.

    I also agree on the misuse of "1911." It grated my nerves for quite a while but I finally learned to stop paying attention to something only a few of us understand.

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