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    Quote Originally Posted by Oyeboten View Post
    "104119" would be the last weeks or so of 1918.
    Not to pile on but a 1918 GM would not have had a lanyard loop magazine.

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    Nice gun, but it's a shame that somebody nickeled it, as reduced its value.

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    Before you start collecting 1911s .... buy books! Collect "quality" not something that you'll be forever making excuses for, and buy the gun not the story behind it.

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    The pistol was shipped 28 February 1919, as part of a contract dated 7 May 1918. The contract was for 10,000 pistols, but the contract was suspended and only 5000 were shipped.

    There isn't anything wrong with the magazine lanyard loop. That's a British replacement magazine for the .455 manufactured by Beesley in London.

    Beesley also manufactured these 20-round magazines. However, there were only (57) sets made, making them quite rare.






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    Great historical info, Scott. I can picture a British biplane pilot in arial combat firing his Colt at a German Fokker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedm View Post
    Great historical info, Scott. I can picture a British biplane pilot in arial combat firing his Colt at a German Fokker.

    I can see it now. The British pilot in his Avro diving passed the German firing his 1911 yelling " take that, you bloody Fokker!"......cf
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    By no means do I set myself up as an "expert" on Colt 1911's, but to my somewhat "jaundiced" eye that magazine looks to be a standard Colt lanyard loop that would have been supplied with the pistol at the time of manufacture. Clawson says the magazines for the "W" prefixed guns in .455 were stamped Cal. 455, Eley on the bottom and, as I can't get the photos to enlarge, that looks as if what is on this OP's magazine. Clawson also states that the last Colt pistol shipped with a lanyard loop magazine was serial#125566, which would fit this example perfectly......cf

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottonfarmer View Post
    By no means do I set myself up as an "expert" on Colt 1911's, but to my somewhat "jaundiced" eye that magazine looks to be a standard Colt lanyard loop that would have been supplied with the pistol at the time of manufacture. Clawson says the magazines for the "W" prefixed guns in .455 were stamped Cal. 455, Eley on the bottom and, as I can't get the photos to enlarge, that looks as if what is on this OP's magazine. Clawson also states that the last Colt pistol shipped with a lanyard loop magazine was serial#125566, which would fit this example perfectly......cf
    You're right about the magazine lanyard loop. A read someone's post about a round loop, but didn't go back and look at the pictures of the OP's gun and mag again. The British replacement mags made by Beesley had a round loop, so...

    Your reference to Clawson's information about 125566 being the last pistol to ship with lanyard loop mags, however, doesn't have anything to do with this pistol. The 125566 Clawson references is a military M1911 pistol (the last 1915 pistol). The OP's pistol is a Government Model which uses a totally separate serial number range.

    Commercial GM pistols were still shipped with lanyard loop mags after 1915. And BTW, the OP's pistol is a 1919 pistol. Thanks for posting behind me and bringing up the lanyard loop. Looks like I showed the Beesley mags for no good reason after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Gahimer View Post
    You're right about the magazine lanyard loop. A read someone's post about a round loop, but didn't go back and look at the pictures of the OP's gun and mag again. The British replacement mags made by Beesley had a round loop, so...

    Your reference to Clawson's information about 125566 being the last pistol to ship with lanyard loop mags, however, doesn't have anything to do with this pistol. The 125566 Clawson references is a military M1911 pistol (the last 1915 pistol). The OP's pistol is a Government Model which uses a totally separate serial number range.

    Commercial GM pistols were still shipped with lanyard loop mags after 1915. And BTW, the OP's pistol is a 1919 pistol. Thanks for posting behind me and bringing up the lanyard loop. Looks like I showed the Beesley mags for no good reason after all.
    I am sure I am not the onlhy one who enjoyed seeing the Beesley Magazines and reading the info about them!

    I myself had not heard of these before, and it is very interesting to learn about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uteppunter View Post
    I recently cam into the ownership of a beautiful Colt. It is a 1911 Colt .455 Eley and it in Nickel. It is a beautiful gun and I am trying to find out what it may be worth. I have done some research but don't know a lot about it as of yet. Attachment 109045Attachment 109046 Does anyone have any information on this gem?
    The 'Round' Lanyard Ring or Loop of the Pistol itself, may be seen here, fixed to the Bail at the base of the Receiver.

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    Interesting. .455 magazines are covered on pages 125 and 126 of Clawson's GM book.

    Chuck indicates the common lanyard loop magazine was used up through about C95000 (about 1917).

    "W" prefixed pistols were produced up into 1919.

    Are there .455 magazines, made by Colt, without the lanyard loop?

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