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    Eagle's head/S acceptance stamp

    I am confused as to whether or not the upwards pointing eagle's head over an S12,16,etc.martial acceptance stamp on WW1 1911's means a Colt or a Springfield armory origin.I have read it means both in this forum.I can't justify my buying Charles Clawson's book at $300 as I'm not a collector,it is a fine reference I'm sure,I just can't afford it.Could could anyone who owns one cite his opinion on this for me?

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    Here is a Colt 1911 shipped Oct. 1918 eagle/S12
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    It is from the Springfield ordinance district. This mark is found on 1918 and 1919 Colts, and Remington UMC. (UMC pistols also have "E.E.C." stamped above the eagle head.) Springfield pistols had a flaming bomb stamp in the same place.

    Clawson has a collector's guide (also out of print) for much less that his large book. If you can find it, you will want the third edition. The price should be bleow $100.
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    RPD... That is a gorgeous example!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Greer View Post
    Clawson has a collector's guide (also out of print) for much less that his large book. If you can find it, you will want the third edition. The price should be below $100.
    Unfortunately, Rob, because that is also out of print, prices have skyrocketed. I've seen them for $250-$300.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haggis View Post
    Unfortunately, Rob, because that is also out of print, prices have skyrocketed. I've seen them for $250-$300.

    Buck
    It is still available in a package that includes Poyer's book and Karash's photo CD for only $135 http://coolgunsite.com/ccorderform.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by haggis View Post
    Unfortunately, Rob, because that is also out of print, prices have skyrocketed. I've seen them for $250-$300.

    Buck
    Unfortunately, there are people who will price gouge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Milsurp_Collector View Post
    It is still available in a package that includes Poyer's book and Karash's photo CD for only $135 http://coolgunsite.com/ccorderform.htm
    This is a deal and a half. The information included is all 3 resources is phenominal. I find myself always referring to Karl's photo cd.

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    Thanks Rob,so you say eagle's head ,and mine also happens to be an S12 just like RPD57's photo,designates "Springfield Ordnance District".Does this mean frame is not from Colt in Hartford,Conn but is from Springfield Armory in Mass? Also I took off the stocks and the magazine cutouts on the frame are the "heart" shaped ones,not rectangular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 45S4EVER View Post
    Thanks Rob,so you say eagle's head ,and mine also happens to be an S12 just like RPD57's photo,designates "Springfield Ordnance District".Does this mean frame is not from Colt in Hartford,Conn but is from Springfield Armory in Mass? Also I took off the stocks and the magazine cutouts on the frame are the "heart" shaped ones,not rectangular.
    With the heart shaped cutout, you certainly have a late 1918 / 1919 Colt frame. Colt Manufacturing was/is located within the Springfield Ordinance District. Remington UMC was also loacted within this geographical area. I don't remember the exact boundary, but it essentially was the Northeast part of the US I think from about New York up. Each manufacturer had inspectors who operated under the authority of the Springfield Ordinance District - and / or the specific inspector.

    Again, the short answer is: you have a Colt frame which was manufactured late 1918 /1919 in Hartford.
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    Thank you again Rob.That made it crystal clear to me. Your courtesy and informative respose is appreciated,also your patience with a newbie like myself is great! Mike....


 

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