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    Colt quality

    Is it true that Colt quality has improved significantly. If so why ?
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    Fear...

    Strong competition from USFA on the Single Action front - and consumer demand for 'quality' has driven Colt to pay closer attention to detail.

    Their new and improved 'Lifetime Warranty' has seen far too many guns returned to the factory under its auspices, and when they have to fix something under warranty - essentially, they lose money both on the repair and on shipping.

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    Fear builds better products. Its about time they wake up to some of the rotten quality that the unions have been putting out. Management is mostly to blame for not catching the junk shipped. Colt is my firearm of choice and has been for over 40 years, I carried one for 20 Plus and have been working on them for an addition 26 years. There is none better, and I enjoy decorating them....Q

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    A major reason Colt quality has been getting better since the late 90's is because the new ownership has been replacing antiquated, worn out equipment with new CNC machining.

    Up to the sale in the late 90's Colt Firearms Division was a somewhat embarrassing part of a huge corporation and seen as nothing more than a source of cash.
    Under a succession of Firearms Division presidents sent down from corporate, quality was seen as secondary to production and insuring the current president got his promotion back to corporate.
    Equipment was used far past the point of being worn out or so old and slow it required extensive human attention and hand work to produce guns. With workers not given time or incentive to produce quality products, the quality of the finished produce fell.

    Under the current owners Colt has been carefully rebuilding the company back to the quality gun company it was "back in the day".
    New, modern production equipment and workers given more time has increased quality.

    Fear doesn't really play a part in industrial production.
    There have been many gun companies that knew they were failing and failed. If fear of failing would have saved them it would.
    What causes them to fail is lack of money to afford new tooling and new products the customers want to buy.
    When the quality falls or the company can't come up with new products the public wants to buy, the company begins the slide down.
    No amount of fear can correct the course if the money and talent isn't there to pull it back.
    Colt was lucky that new owners came along who had the money to restore the company and saw Colt as a potentially valuable company, instead of a shell that could be drained of cash then "busted out".

    People tend to forget the Lear-Sigler and Bangor Punta days of S&W when corporate raiders were busy using S&W as a cash cow by producing as many guns as possible, quality be damned, and in the process driving the company to ruin.
    S&W was only saved when they were finally bought by the current owners who wanted to own a profitable gun company.
    It wasn't fear that saved S&W or Colt, it was investors who saw potentially profitable companies and had the financial and business sense means to save them.
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    Well said ^

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    piggybacking on Dfariswheel with a question. Quality is going up and the company is improving - both excellent. My question is what's the hold up on expanding further? They can't seem to keep up with demand at this rate, it would seem. doubly so for the custom shop (which is what I'm personally waiting on). thoughts?

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    MONEY.
    Expansion is a risky proposition. Attempt an expansion based on expectation of increased market and if the market for your product doesn't meet expectations, you're in instant trouble.

    Expansion costs a lot of money for equipment, room to install it, and requires hiring very expensive new employees.
    You have to have the money to do this, and the means to pay that money back.

    Expansion for any business is a heart-in-mouth thing. Don't expand and a competitor smarter and more willing to take a chance can eat your lunch and put you out of business. Borrow a lot of money to expand and misjudge the market for the increased production, and you can be out of business.
    It's damned if you do and damned if you don't. What most people don't know about is the fortunes companies spend doing market studies and all kinds of financial planning to try to decide whether to risk it or not, and then it comes down to someone just making the call with crossed fingers.

    Bottom line is, you better be really smart, really lucky, and really gutsy.
    Colt had one foot in the grave and another foot on a banana peel. By making careful, smart business decisions they've come back from the brink.
    Colt management is smart enough, and isn't willing to risk the money making dumb moves.
    The old Colt went out of business by making seemingly obviously stupid moves like the All American 2000, The Smart Gun, and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars they couldn't afford planning on importing a high end Italian over and under shotgun no one would have bought.

    The current management is too smart to make those kind of decisions and they're being very careful about expansion moves.
    They have bought land in Florida, for what we don't know, and we know they're expanding the production of 1911 series pistols.
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    Colt is expanding, are they not building in Florida as we speak ? not sure yet what the purpose of this building will be, so we will have to stay tuned !
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    Could it be because Florida is a right to work state? That would be my thought's.

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    No, they're not "building" in Florida.
    They have an option on a facility there that so far sits vacant, leaving the county that renovated the property for them wondering what's going on.
    Hopefully Colt will follow through, but right now everything depends on politics & money in a wait & see game.

    Every time somebody says "Why can't Colt do fill-in-the-blank?" the same answer applies: it takes money, and Colt is doing much better now, but still has to watch their pennies.
    Some of us have been saying this for years, it oughta be a bold-faced sticky.
    Denis


 
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