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    Me, Robin? Should be Batman slapping Homer Simpson! D'oh!
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    Le$$ Baer

    As probably my last chance to own this caliber, I am firing a letter off to EAA imploring them to produce - even on special order - a "Super 38 Polymer" version. And, unless the NRA was completely fudging the accuracy numbers, look how this thing compares to Les Baer.
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    Why not go with a steel-frame Witness? It is available in .38 Super chambering. I much prefer the looks of the steel-frame Witness pistols over the polymer-frame pistols. Unless one is carrying the pistol daily, I like shooting the heavier pistol as well.

    I have been a fan of the Witness pistols for a long time, but they lost me when they discontinued true stainless pistols and went with the "Wonder Finish." Early Wonder Finish pistols have polished flats on the slide, but later ones have only the matt finish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeColt View Post
    Why not go with a steel-frame Witness? It is available in .38 Super chambering. I much prefer the looks of the steel-frame Witness pistols over the polymer-frame pistols. Unless one is carrying the pistol daily, I like shooting the heavier pistol as well.

    I have been a fan of the Witness pistols for a long time, but they lost me when they discontinued true stainless pistols and went with the "Wonder Finish." Early Wonder Finish pistols have polished flats on the slide, but later ones have only the matt finish.
    That is the CZ-75 based version, right? Sadly, they don't fit my hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weagle99 View Post
    Has American Rifleman ever said anything negative about any gun?
    Has any gun magazine said anything negative about a gun they have reviewed. If so, I guess I missed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weagle99 View Post
    Has American Rifleman ever said anything negative about any gun?
    Nobody ever does. I read a review of the new C308 from Century Arms a few months ago, and the guy was raving about what a good deal it was at $700. IIRC, he accuracy was an abysmal 4"-5" at 50 yards, but he was still raving about how great this "almost G3" was. Another reviewer had a slam fire first time he loaded it (which is where he should have aborted and returned the rifle), but still: "One hell of a nice battle rifle". It sure makes you wonder what it would take for them to say something negative. There's a reason why I don't read many gun magazines anymore.
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    I may as well get into trouble today 38 super is just an expensive 9mm to shoot that head spaced on the rim for years and didn't shoot straight. To get them up to IPSC power factor it took heavy bullets and near overloads in the guns they were first used in. While they built race guns that won many championships in 38 super I never heard of anyone carrying one on the street... Flame on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 459459 View Post
    I may as well get into trouble today 38 super is just an expensive 9mm to shoot that head spaced on the rim for years and didn't shoot straight. To get them up to IPSC power factor it took heavy bullets and near overloads in the guns they were first used in. While they built race guns that won many championships in 38 super I never heard of anyone carrying one on the street... Flame on...
    Point: "I don't really like the .38 Super." Counterpoint: "Don't buy one!" Headspace is ancient history. Gone. Non-issue. The bottom line: The .38 Super is more than the 9mm, just as the 41 Action Express is (however slightly) more than the 40 S&W. In the .38 Super's case, it is considerably more than the 9. I hand load, so two non-issues for me. The .38 Super that you do not buy, I will buy. Win-win. You notice that I have a soft-spot for orphans.

    Of course, I can always just buy the .45 ACP version. Yet, I imagine how light a Commander-length polymer carry version would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by po18guy View Post
    Point: "I don't really like the .38 Super." Counterpoint: "Don't buy one!" Headspace is ancient history. Gone. Non-issue. The bottom line: The .38 Super is more than the 9mm, just as the 41 Action Express is (however slightly) more than the 40 S&W. In the .38 Super's case, it is considerably more than the 9. I hand load, so two non-issues for me. The .38 Super that you do not buy, I will buy. Win-win. You notice that I have a soft-spot for orphans.

    Of course, I can always just buy the .45 ACP version. Yet, I imagine how light a Commander-length polymer carry version would be.
    Well here I are
    Best I can do is point out on the balistic charts the velocity of the +p 38 super and the +p 9mm, there is very little difference...


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    9mm Ballistics Chart | Ballistics 101

    Not enough difference in my mind to own a 38 super to carry. I bet it would be fun to have one to shoot for a while.

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    Screech!

    Hmmm. Accurate Powders shows 200 fps advantage for .38 super on average with 124 grain bullets for but one example. One inch longer test barrel does not account for 200 fps. You like 9s. Good. I have three 9s, but I know that the .38 Super is clearly more powerful - always has been and always will be. Not a thing wrong with the 9mm Parabellum. It's just not Super.

    Anyway, this thread is totally derailed. What about an accurate, affordable polymer .45 that Colt's could make, but didn't?
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