I thought it was very interesting. I didn't realize the number of rifles that had this problem.
If I had one I would definitely want this problem fixed.--MP
Curious how many members caught the story that aired on CNBC last night entitled "Remington Under Fire" regarding the Model 700 bolt action rifle and the possibility of accidental discharges?
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I thought it was very interesting. I didn't realize the number of rifles that had this problem.
If I had one I would definitely want this problem fixed.--MP
I didn't see the broadcast, but I did see the video and coverage on the net.
I don't know personally how wide spread it is; though tragic, some of the blame goes to the gun handlers who had the firearm pointed in an unsafe direction.
Remington has not always been forthright in disclosing some defects in the past until they were forced to. Their Models 760's and 740's are a perfect example.
In those cases, the firing pin would break and due to a lack of safety engineering , when the firing pin did break it was in the forward position, causing the user to have out of battery detonations resulting in some pretty serious problems.
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First, let me say that I am a huge 700 fan. Second, I know of at least accident that the owner claims the gun went off when he wasn't touching his 700's trigger. The dad shot his daughter in the back of the leg. Third, my dad has a 30 year old 700 ADL that I think has this problem. The gun would sometimes go off when you close the bolt or ever flick off the safety. Since the gun did it once with a live round in it, my dad refuses to use it. He also refuses to fix it, even though a good replacement trigger is less than 100 bucks. The gun's just been sitting in his safe for years.
I have heard from several folks that some 700's have had this occur.
The problem I have is CNBC's lack of discussing proper gun handling by it's operators. Everyone of those accidental discharge trageties could have been prevented by proper gun handling and the use of the safety God gave us, our head!
I had mixed emotions on the report. I was taught never to trust a safety and to treat all firearms like they are loaded. I have seen 1911's go full auto and a Colt Woodsman went off closing the slide resulting in a foot injury. I had a 700 go off when closing the bolt at the range only to discover the owner had performed a trigger job on the rifle. Accidents happen when not expected. Ruger has faced lawsuits where it is evident the firearm was not at fault, but they always pay a settlement of some sort. To many details were left unanswered. No doubt Remington is a corporation driven by profit with investors to answer to. No doubt the employee's suffer under the corporate mentality and rules. We live in a age of blame and lawsuits. My heart goes out to all who have suffered a loss from the accidents, but I found the documentary "Food Inc." to be far more disturbing.
Seemed pretty clear to me.
it showed pictures of unintended firing happening with both Police and the Military.
I wish I had seen this
I have a few 30-06 model 721 Remingtons. 1 had a problem. If you loaded the gun and put safety on and later squeezed on the trigger for whatever reason, you were in for a rude awkening when you later pushed off the saftey-the gun went off without even having your finger near the trigger. This happened to me when I was hunting with my father. I had the barrel pointed a the ground and the gun went off as soon as i pushed the safety off. dirt flew all over my dads back. He thought I must have had my finger on the trigger but that wasnt the case. We tested it empty later, and sure enough ,if squeezed on trigger with safety on ,then when you pushed safety off ,the gun would fire by itself. SCARY.
I never heard of such a problem with the newer model 700's I wonder if the newsreports got the model number screwed up? Was this the issue they were talking about?
The 721 (and 700) is a fine rifle. Probably the strongest bolt action ever made, very accurate, and a great deer and bear rifle. But beware of this possible issue. I still use a 721 but the one I hunt with now doesnt have this problem. The cut off barreled,custom stocked one that did have the problem seems to work ok now but I still would NEVER trust the safety and when unloading the gun or ANY gun Ill never forget my experience.
Last edited by capstan; 10-21-2010 at 02:54 PM.
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1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom."
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