high left

[ltdave]

so, both of my Cobras (d frames) from early on (unshrouded) shoot about 4-5" high and 4-5" left...

on a B-2 or B-3 target (50' representation of the slow fire or timed and rapid fire bullseye) i need to aim at the lower right corner to hit black...

granted this is at 50' (16.1 yards) and these arent target guns but i believe my detectives shoot this way as well, and none should be this far off...

i fired these guns off a rolled up carpet, on a bench and single-action with a solid two-handed grip...

i have full sized stocks on them so they shouldnt be an issue and i used all of my special marksmanship training to hold still...

does everyone elses snubs shoot like this?

ill have to take my detectives out and try them as well...

[ralph7]

i know you don't want to hear this, but it sounds like you are flinching.

that is a huge distance for different guns to be off the same amount and direction.
all my fixed sight guns are regulated better than that.

[capstan]

I've had a few that shot to the left or right and some that shot high or low at 15 yards,but not many. Over the years Ive tried about twenty different DS's,Cobras and Agents,but never had any that shot that far off both vertically and horizontally. Most shot within 2 inches left/right or high/low of point of aim at 15 yards. By changing the bullet weight, I can usually get the vertical point of impact pretty close to point of aim(within an inch or so). I have a few later(shrouded ejector DS's that I shoot 125 grain bullets in,because The heavier bullets shoot high.I have a few older ones with the exposed ejector that shoot closer to POA with 148 or 158 grain bullets.
4 or 5 inches high and left from my experience, is not typical. Try different loads. You should be able to do much better than that. My favorite DS will keep them in a 2 inch square at 15 yards consistently,but I must have a perfect sight picture and trigger squeeze. Be careful that you aren't pulling the gun slightly to the left when squeezeing the trigger back. The front sight must be dead level with the top of rear sight and exactly the same amount of light must be on each side of the front sight. Even a minute difference in sight position will change the point of impact. Your grip should also be close to the same on every shot.
I did have one of the parkerized agents that shot 5" high even with 125 grain bullets. I used a dab of JB weld on the front sight and now it shoots pretty close to dead on. This one was ok as far as left/right. I had a DS that shot 3 to 4 inches left and I sent it back to Colt. They turned the barrel a bit but now it shoots 2 to 3 inches to the right I guess they turned it a liitle to far but its better than it was.

[haggis]

You might want to have someone else shoot the guns and see if they get the same results. If they hit properly with them, you are likely heeling the gun in anticipation of recoil, as well as pushing sideways on the trigger rather than straight back (I'm assuming you are right-handed). Both are easy to do, especially if the grips do not fit you well.

Buck

[porsche]

Possibly moving up to the 5 yard line free hand would give you different results, gradually move back from there and determine if it is the gun or shooter.

[CWO4USCGRET]

Dave, it must be you - I haven't noticed that with either my Cobras or my Agent. See you at Blue Water some time when it is a little drier...

[MtnSpur]

A kind of "Cliff Notes" for grouping results and possible causes.

http://www.targetshooting.ca/docs/grp-analysis.pdf

[ltdave]

i could see pushing it as a possibility but i dont believe im flinching. been shooting an awfully long time with much more recoiley guns than these...

ill see what happens in close, again off a bench as the weather allows. no more indoors (for me for about 2 weeks). ive been known to break the 580 mark on a PPC course with standard (i.e. not target ammo) and have never shot less than expert with a pistol (when in the Air Force. rifles? well we wont go into my Air Force shooting for those...!)

[Blademan]

If you have some "dummy" rounds have someone load your gun with live and dummy rounds and watch you shoot. If you are flinching the observer will see it when the hammer drops on a dummy round. I have instructed firearms for over 20 years and I have never had a fixed sight revolver shoot that far off. I remember shooting at 50 yards with a 2 inch smith to qualify back in the day and not have a problem.

[Oyeboten]

Of course some individual Revolvers will shoot a little off to one side unless Targeted by the Factory or by an able Smith somewhere along the way, so I see nothing unusual about that.

May well be your grasp, and or, you could try adjusting your grasp j-u-s-t a little, to see if it does even this out.


Having two rounds as spent shells, and, four rounds as live ones, where you do not know who is who in the Cylinder, more or less as the above Post suggests, is a good idea to see if you are in some way tensing or flinching a little bit.


I have not shot at those distances in a while, nor shot any of my Snubbies at those distances to even know how various of my Snubbies would fare, but, I would not expect any of them to be dead 'on' for that distance anyway. But heck, who knows, some of them might be ( or if I was, some of them might be, but I am certain, not all of them would be, even if they did group well, I am confident that the group would be somewhere other than the 10 Ring )...