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    Quote Originally Posted by stanforth View Post
    A coat of arms is a much more elaborate device and can only be carried by the head of a noble family. A family crest is another matter, it is simpler (like the item we are talking about) and can be used by any member of the family.Attachment 105081Attachment 105082I have attached samples of each. They are from my family. I could not use the Arms but, if I was that way inclined, use the crest.
    Beg pardon Mr. Stanforth, But what's the significance of the three goats in your family crest? I know there were a number of old goats on my paternal grandmother's English side, so perhaps we may be related?



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    Quote Originally Posted by dogface6 View Post
    Well, if we go with 'plumes', then they're clearly 'Price of Wales' plumes, and those do show up - sans this style of crown.
    But don't the Primce of Wales' plumes go through the coronet, not below it?
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    No.

    And there are a number of variations over the years.

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    Stanforth, sorry,
    Found it in Wikipedia.
    I'm Swiss, we dont have nobles in Switzerland, but we are well armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmaag View Post
    Stanforth, sorry,
    Found it in Wikipedia.
    I'm Swiss, we dont have nobles in Switzerland, but we are well armed.

    If I ever need an arrow shooting an apple off someones head I will know who to ask..
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogface6 View Post
    Well, if we go with 'plumes', then they're clearly 'Price of Wales' plumes, and those do show up - sans this style of crown.
    But the Prince of Wales Plumes are only three and upward.

    This device is three up and three down...bound in the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armybrat View Post
    Beg pardon Mr. Stanforth, But what's the significance of the three goats in your family crest? I know there were a number of old goats on my paternal grandmother's English side, so perhaps we may be related?


    Beware. In earlier versions the goats horns are dripping with blood. We are not to be trifled with.. By the way Ives is my name and Stanforth on my maternal side. They aren't very nice either...


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    As you will see there is a similarity to the Crest on the pistol but not close enough to be true..
    Maybe a Welshman with delusions of grandure..

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanforth View Post
    Beware. In earlier versions the goats horns are dripping with blood. We are not to be trifled with.. By the way Ives is my name and Stanforth on my maternal side. They aren't very nice either...


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    Well, Grandma's people were the Wickards - don't know if that's just a corruption of Wicked. She was a very nice sort though, if her side had a crest, it would have a pumpkin pie in it.

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    Take a closer look at the many variations of the 'Prince of Wales Plumes' - and I mean 'many' - you'll find the exact one pictured, bound in its center.

    It's just not encircled in an oval, nor is there a coronet, and in order for it to 'belong' to anyone or any entity, all three elements 'must' be present.


 
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