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    45 colt new service - help smoothbore

    Hi everyone,
    im in need of someone's knowledge.
    my father has had an old new service for many years, but is has a weird barrel.
    It's stamped 45 colt and also stamped "shot"
    The barrel is smooth - no rifling in it.
    it looks like a sleeve in the barrel.
    it is serial number 53566.
    any help / history would be greatly appreciated as I can't seem to find much info about it.

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    Pictures will help a lot with the stamping marks. I have no real experience with New Services. Others will be able to shed a lot more light.
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    Colt built about 10-12 New Service Smooth Bores. None to my knowledge were marked smoothbore or shot on the gun. It sounds like a gunsmith built yours since it has a sleeved barrel. Here is a posting showing my smoothbore along with the factory invoice and Colt letter. You may find it helpful.

    https://www.coltforum.com/forums/colt...ollection.html

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    So its a 'snake gun' of sorts.....
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    Long-deceased gun writer Kent Bellah, from Saint Jo, TX, had a smoothbore .45 Colt New Service designed to fire a shot cartridge. The revolver was modified by the Lakeville Arms (Jim Harvey, originator of "jugular" half-jackteted bullets, ProTXBore, etc.) in the late '50s, maybe early '60s. It required some sort of ATF approval, according to the man who acquired the gun from Bellah's estate. Lakeville Arms did a number of these guns.

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    image.jpgimage.jpgI got some pictures of the gun and barrel stampings and the sleeve.
    what do you think???
    if it is a gunsmith installed sleeve would this hurt the collector value?
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    The "SHOT" mark is obviously hand stamped, something Colt would not have done.

    Just my opinion, but this would possibly make it less valuable to a collector since it's not original.
    Plus, while I'm not up on this, a smooth barrel revolver may be in violation of Federal laws against what I think they'd classify as a "short barrel shotgun".
    Again, I'm not sure of the legalities of this but today it's illegal to made a smooth barrel handgun. In order to get around the law, guns like the .410-.45 Colt pistols like the Taurus and S&W revolvers, and the Thompson-Center Contender have to have a partially rifled barrel.
    I'm not sure what the stance of the BATF would be on an antique like this but they may say it's an illegal firearm. This could put you in legal jeopardy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ncboyz View Post
    image.jpgimage.jpgI got some pictures of the gun and barrel stampings and the sleeve.
    what do you think???
    if it is a gunsmith installed sleeve would this hurt the collector value?

    From a collector view point, yes if it has been modified then it would definitely hurt the value. As dfariswheel mentioned when owning one of these you need to have it placed on an approved list by the BATF. My gun has been placed on that list so it no longer falls under the short barrel shotgun category. Since your gun was not originally made in this configuration and has been modified then you may have a problem getting it approved. Owning the gun may present a violation under the Federal regulations. I hope this information helps.

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    Thanks for the info everyone
    very much appreciated


 

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