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    Re: New Service Target & Shooting Master

    Thanks for the endorsement of "thecoltguy" aka Cam. It's always good to know that you are dealing with someone that is held in high regard by their peers.

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    Murphy's book does not actually give production numbers of the NST and SM. Murphy's numbers are based on estimates derived from his study of a very small number (170) of guns. Murphy estimates that NST production averaged 100 guns a year, and therefore estimates the total number of NSTs at 3000 to 4000.

    Robert Whittington, in his treatise on the New Service, states his numbers are estimates, but his numbers seem to be more detailed, perhaps based on factory research. Whittington breaks his total estimate of 3400 NSTs down by chambering. Whittington estimates there were 1000 NSTs in .45 Colt, 960 in .455 Enfield, 700 in .44 Russian, 500 in .44 Special and 80 in .45 Auto. To me, that means any NST is a rare gun, even in the .45 Colt chambering found most often.

    Whittington does the same thing with the estimated 3500 SMs, with 2500 in .38 Special, 500 in .357 Magnum, 250 in .45 Auto, 156 in .45 Colt and 94 in .44 Special. That means to me that the most common SM (.38 Special) is 2.5 times more common than the most common NST (.45 Colt).

    Any fan of the New Service needs Murphy's book and Whittingtons treatise. Whittington also has a treatise on the M1909.

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    Thanks for the nice words guys and Judge your right I should have mentioned Whittingtons info. I will see that John gets a copy of it. Thanks for this reminder.

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    I'm embarrassed to say that I don't have Col Whittington's NS book ! I have his Nazi pistol books which are very well done .

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    Re: New Service Target & Shooting Master

    Coincidentally, I just talked to Bob Whittington within the last 24 hours about his estimates. They are not based on factory research, unfortunately. He simply took Bob Murphy's estimates and grossed them up to the estimated total production and rounded them off to even numbers. That's a rather crude method but the sample size is large enough that it may be pretty close. Murphy had 114 Shooting Masters in his survey. I've been compiling my own data and am up to 168 ShMa's. The percentage breakdown on calibers has stayed pretty close to Murphy's data. If anyone would like to contribute their serial numbers/calibers/configurations to my database I would appreciate it. I hope to eventually use the data for an article for The Rampant Colt and then as a chapter in a book I've started.

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    Thank you for the mention of Whittington's work about New Service Colts. I recently purchased a New Service Target in .44 Special, and had no idea that they were that rare.

    I am still going to shoot mine, though!

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    Re: New Service Target & Shooting Master

    You may find this 1965 article from the American Rifleman informative...

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