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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyP View Post
    Is there a reference that mentions Colt using a batch of phosphate/Parkerized barrels, or is all this based on finding a nice Colt with a nice Parkerized barrel? We have all found parts together that we know doesn't belong together even though their condition matches perfectly.

    Colt has blued their military contract barrels since the beginning of production of the Model 1911 to the end of production of the 1911A1. With the change from heat blue to phosphate ordnance specifications called for a Du-Lite blue finish on the barrels, so why use a batch of barrels that didn't meet specifications?

    You can blue over phosphate but you can't phosphate over blue, and why would Colt refinish parts already finished?

    Small G blued barrel. Several blued small parts being used up after the change from blue to phosphate finish.

    Well we know that the early park guns and the Commercial to Military mags were sand blasted (just the base ) and were refinished in tank (Du-Lite)bluing and not just the base parked as the Clawson book states and I believe that the reason for some of them flaking bad is they were furnace (prewar) blued before having the base sandblasted and tank blued (Du-lite)and the ones that were not furnace (prewar) blued do not flake (or not as much) as the ones that were furnace (prewar) blued and the bases never flaked because they were sandblasted .I see bluing under the park on some of the pins on your gun as well as mine and Karl`s and other gun`s it also looks like there are traces of park around the edges of the grip screws and what I see is where the parts were sandblasted the park stuck good and where they were not blasted the park rubbed or worn off very quickly . We all know how the bluing was done (prewar that is ) and basically what happens when you heat up metal and open up the pores of it and a use a mixture of charcoal animal bones and motor oil you are carburizing the surface of it and what also is happening is you are leeching carbon to the surface as well so what is happing is a very thin layer has been hardened and then polished and if not sandblasted the park is just laying on the hardened thin outer layer of the part .You can see on my link and pin the blue under a thin spotty layer of park because they were not sandblasted .

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    It strikes me as unlikely anyone at Colt mistakenly Parkerized barrels. Barrels and magazines were always blued. Just because I run onto phosphate finished magazines now and then, I don't believe they came new from the factory that way.

    As I stated before, it will be almost impossible to ever establish a credible base of evidence because there are so many refinished barrels in pistols and so many people who don't really know enough to determine if they have an original barrel in a pistol. And I'm sure there are a lot of people with phosphate barrels who'd like to think their pistols are original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prewar View Post
    Attachment 634319Attachment 634321Attachment 634231The pic`s of the pin heads are from Karls CD the barrel is my gun ..what do you see ? I see blue under the park on the pins and blue under the park on some parts of my barrel .The link and pin show it too.
    I hate to point this out but the pins and the link are blue and always have been.
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    Well,---it is obvious some will believe that heat/charcoal or hot tank bluing can exist (the blue color) under (after) the hot tank parkerizing process!????

    Is there anyone, that has spent time in the Hot-Room of a Gunsmith/Shop during Parkerizing, that believes some of the blue (polished surface or not) will exist "Under" the Parkerizing?

    For those others that may still wonder, with a WWII 1911A1 manufactured barrel,---It Is Chemically Impossible!
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    I have a parked 1941 rs colt with a parked small G Colt barrel. I believe the pistol is original except for the sights. Barrel I don't know, but I'm keeping it as is for now. Serial # 740xxx.

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    Could this be another example of a parkerized Barrel in an early parkerized M1911A1?


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    735626 735972 735977 736501 736562 740xxx 740810 7409xx 741583 7420xx have been observed in the last 6 months or so since I bought my park 41 with park barrel . All seem to be correct & original awfully high number for only 6 months of just running across them or reported to me in a very short time
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpd1978 View Post
    Could this be another example of a parkerized Barrel in an early parkerized M1911A1?


    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/844527826
    Does anyone else think the serial number under the firing pin stop looks suspicious? Font looks wrong to me.

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    Slide SN looks normal to me
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