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    Very Early box of 45 ACP

    This should be a very early box of 45 ACP. Note the over stamp stating a 230 grain bullet and the label printed as 200 grain. 200 grain was the load for the model 1905 and it was changed to 230 grains with the introduction of the 1911. It is full but some idiot used scotch tape on it and I can not get it open.

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    A little heat/steam?

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    Lighter fluid usually works - but be patient.

    The discoloration 'will' remain.

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    The blue plaid boxes falls into the 1915-20 time period. Nice find.
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    Yes people use tape to repair pages on priceless first edition books every day , ruining them too. It used to be a cure all.
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    It is a pretty neat box, I've seen one like it before but can't remember where.
    Be interested to see what's actually in the box, if it has the same style case, bullet and cannelure as the factory 200 gr.

    A while back, I found I good reference for the Rem-UMC boxes on the International Ammunition Association site..
    (search for "dating remington cartridge boxes" and it should come up on the cartridge collectors dot org site).

    Based on that, the OP's box would be from the 1911-1915 time frame as it has the company name:
    "REMINGTON ARMS-UNION METALLIC CARTRIDGE CO." with "UNION METALLIC CARTRIDGE WORKS" spelled out.

    Boxes from 1916-1919 (top box) had the name as:
    "THE REMINGTON ARMS UNION METALLIC CARTRIDGE COMPANY" with "UMC BRIDGEPORT WORKS"

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    Here's a clip from a Rem-UMC catalog circa 1913/1914.
    Note that they offered two different .45 ACP rounds, one for the 1905 (200 gr) and one for the Gov't Model (235 gr) by that time.
    So maybe this box is an early transition ?
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    Nice find. My oldest box is 1917 vintage military issue,
    USMC(RET.) 1969-1993

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    During that time period the cartridge companies didn't throw away a box because the printing was no longer correct for the ammunition.

    This box of 7.63mm Mauser ammunition describes a hollow soft point bullet, but the red ink stamp at the top is LUBALOY BULLETS. The Lubaloy bullet was a 1922 development.


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    I went to a living estate sale here in the Pittsburgh area back during the winter. The gentleman's family having the sale had some amazing things. Mounted animals including a standing bear to foxes, deer, water buffalo, etc. (Unfortunately his gun collection was sold nationally). But I did run across most of his vintage ammo which dated back to black powder cartridge era.

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