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    Not a recent CMP 1911A1 but one I picked up locally

    I was curious about the meaning of the acorn shaped mark on the trigger guard of this Remington Rand.
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    Ithaca used several different symbols to identify employees that performed different functions on the pistol. During WWII Colt stamped a number in the same location identifying the workman that assembled the pistol. Ithaca had used these symbols on their commercial guns previous to the WWII contract.

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    That employee musta been a "nut"

    ( Sorry, couldn't help myself )


    All kiddin' aside...a very nice score on that USP Ithaca sir, Congrats !!

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    Not an Ithaca but a REMINGTON RAND.
    Any thoughts about the acorn symbol on the REMINGTON RAND?

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    Where on the frame is it marked Remington Rand? It could be an RR slide and an Ithaca frame
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfields View Post
    Not an Ithaca but a REMINGTON RAND.
    Any thoughts about the acorn symbol on the REMINGTON RAND?
    My apologies sir...

    Congrats on a very nice score on that USP Remington Rand sir !!

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    A Remington Rand will occasionally show up with the Ithaca type marking, but don't know that it has any information exists on it. For the most part the early Remington Rands were not marking on the trigger guard, and the later ones were marked with a letter.

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    Would it be possible that one 1911 contractor would occasionally make receivers for another to help them out with their production? If so that could explain the markings.

    I have an IBM M1 Carbine with an Auto Ordnance mark on the receiver as they were a subcontractor to IBM. Springfield Armory also supplied M1 Garand receivers to International Harvester in the 1950s to help them keep production schedules...while not marked as Springfield made the markings were in a specific pattern identifiable as SA provided.

    Just wondering if something similar may have been done with 1911A1 production.
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    Not marked on the frame RR but the serial number falls in the RR range.

    Quote Originally Posted by 29aholic View Post
    Where on the frame is it marked Remington Rand? It could be an RR slide and an Ithaca frame

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    The WWII contractors were always in a struggle to fulfill their war contracts on time, and helping out a competitor wasn't in the cards. The military kept a running inventory of parts and production at the various contractors, and if they saw a contractor about to run short on a particular part they had the parts transferred from another contractor that had enough of the particular part to spare them. There was strict bookkeeping done on these parts, and the contractor that shipped the parts was credited with the parts, and the contractor that needed them had this amount deducted from their invoice to the military for the finished weapon.

    It is common to hear that the contractors of M1 Carbine "swapped parts all the time", but this simply wasn't the case. The military was responsible for the moving of all parts from one contractor to another, and did the accounting on them.

    Union Switch & Signal made M1 Carbine receivers, slides, and bolts for National Postal Meter, Quality Hardware & Machining, and Rock-Ola Corporation, but this was strictly a government contract.

    US&S was paid by the government for the parts, and the cost of the parts was deducted from the finished price of the Carbine when the government paid the manufacturer.


 
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