1908 Hammerless .380 Type II serial number ranges for 1909/1910 - need adjustment?
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Thread: 1908 Hammerless .380 Type II serial number ranges for 1909/1910 - need adjustment?

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    1908 Hammerless .380 Type II serial number ranges for 1909/1910 - need adjustment?

    Calling Sam Lisker (owner of one of my favorite sites):

    I was doing some more research for the .380 Hammerless Type II (barrel bushing) list and ran across these three guns at coltautos.com:

    #4406 - shipped 12/7/1909 - Colt Pistols and Revolvers for Firearms Collectors - Model 1903 .32 ACP & Model 1908 .380 ACP Pocket Hammerless Police Department Marked Pistol Variations

    #4559 and #4560 - shipped 12/22/1909 - Colt Pistols and Revolvers for Firearms Collectors - Model 1903 .32 ACP & Model 1908 .380 ACP Pocket Hammerless Police Department Marked Pistol Variations

    Yet the published range at Colt Pistols and Revolvers for Firearms Collectors - Model 1903 .32 ACP & Model 1908 .380 ACP Pocket Hammerless Production Dates for 1909 production is #2301 to #4350. Does the upper end of the 1909 range need adjustment to move some guns numbered #4351 to ~#4600 from 1910 production to 1909 production? I'm continuing to search for Colt letters for guns between #4560 and my #4936 (shipped 4/10/1910) to help narrow it down some more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacecoast1 View Post
    Calling Sam Lisker (owner of one of my favorite sites):

    I was doing some more research for the .380 Hammerless Type II (barrel bushing) list and ran across these three guns at coltautos.com:

    #4406 - shipped 12/7/1909 - Colt Pistols and Revolvers for Firearms Collectors - Model 1903 .32 ACP & Model 1908 .380 ACP Pocket Hammerless Police Department Marked Pistol Variations
    #4559 and #4560 - shipped 12/22/1909 - Colt Pistols and Revolvers for Firearms Collectors - Model 1903 .32 ACP & Model 1908 .380 ACP Pocket Hammerless Police Department Marked Pistol Variations

    Yet the published range at Colt Pistols and Revolvers for Firearms Collectors - Model 1903 .32 ACP & Model 1908 .380 ACP Pocket Hammerless Production Dates for 1909 production is #2301 to #4350. Does the upper end of the 1909 range need adjustment to move some guns numbered #4351 to ~#4600 from 1910 production to 1909 production? I'm continuing to search for Colt letters for guns between #4560 and my #4936 (shipped 4/10/1910) to help narrow it down some more.
    Dr. Brunner's table gives 2500 to 4589 for the 1909 production year.

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    Dr. Brunner's production tables and explanation of assembly versus shipping dates. Photo and pdf link below.

    Brunner Production Tables.jpg

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    Brunner Production Tables.pdf

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    Thanks for the feedback, I should have thought to check my copy of Brunner. I will adjust the range values in the Type II Hammerless list thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacecoast1 View Post
    I'm continuing to search for Colt letters for guns between
    #4560 and my #4936 (shipped 4/10/1910) to help narrow it down some more.



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    My 1909 high range is probably a bit low but this was based on the letters I saw when I first build this page, which was back around 1996. 1908 .380 sn 4565 shipped January 31, 1910. Given that the guns were not shipped in serial number order, these ranges are and have always been just approximations.

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    Thanks Sam, I appreciate the thoughtful response and additional info.
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