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    Questions about a Colt Model 1908 .25ACP

    I am hoping that someone may be able to provide some info or point me in the right direction to seek further input. I recently bought a Colt Model 1908 “Vest Pocket” .25ACP Pistol. The serial number on is marked as C49. The inside of the slide and the barrel are both stamped “KK”. There is a small “K” stamped on the frame on the front right side of the trigger guard.


    Wondering if this is the legitimate serial number, and if so, why the barrel and slide have letters rather than numbers. Would be interested in establishing the year of manufacture, which should be 1908 if that serial number is actual, but would be a mismatch with a slide that has 1910 as the latest patent date stamped on it.


    Any info would be greatly appreciated!
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    This post should be moved by an Admin to the Colt Semiauto Pistols forum.

    It appears that the original serial number was removed and the "C49" stamp was added. The "KK" stampings may be inspector's marks. Can you show full side-view photos of both sides of the pistol so we can see all of the markings? Based on the last patent date, the sldie was manufactured between s/n 20000 (1909) and 300000 (1921).
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    Thanks! New to the forum, so don’t know all the “ins and outs” as of yet. I will attach the side views you requested.

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    The new serial number was applied with a pantagraph, like jewelry store and trophy shops use.

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    The letter "K" on the upper right trigger guard bow, as the OP's pistol shows, may indicate that the gun was returned to the factory for repair. Or, the "K" may be a final assembler or inspector's code (George Donovan, c. 1915, or George Conoran).

    Brunner makes no mention of the inside of the slide, or of the barrel, being marked with an assembler or inspector's mark, or of any double stamped marks (i.e. "K K").

    This pistol's slide address, besides having the 1910 final patent date, is also in the smaller letters adopted in 1912 between 68000 and 76000. The 1917 patent date was added in 1921, c. sn 280000.

    There was no serial number marking inside the slide from 1910, c. sn 25000, through 1919, c. sn 200000.

    The slide may not belong to the frame, though both seem to show an original matching (post 1913-1914) later "brushed" finish.

    As to the "C49" marking in lieu of a serial number, I have no clue. Brunner does make mention (and show a photo of) an experimental model marked "E7", in place of the serial number, on which the Tansley magazine safety, adopted during the 1916 production year, was tested.
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    Thank you to those replying - a wealth of info! I’m contacting Colt directly as well to see if there is anything they can add!

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    In the case of the Colt shown, the K is the Colt factory assembler. Appears the Colt Verified Proof has been removed.
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    Initial info from Colt Archiving Services is that the pistol appears to have been refinished, and the C49 was likely added after or during that refinishing process. That was based on the observed pitting on the front part of the left side of the frame, lack of other expected markings, and the style/content of the marking where the serial number should be. No comment thus far regarding the KK markings on the slide or barrel.
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    Sam Lisker should be here soon with comment. Perhaps it was refinished but it must have been done before the C 49 was applied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyP View Post
    In the case of the Colt shown, the K is the Colt factory assembler. Appears the Colt Verified Proof has been removed.
    The Tansley safety factory experimental model pictured in Dr. Brunner's book marked "E7" (my post #5 above) does not have a verified proof mark either.

    Neither the left trigger guard bow VP location, nor the serial number location, on the OP's pistol appear to be dished out from buffing and refinishing. And, the slide address looks untouched.

    Hopefully, Sam can shed some light on our mystery.
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