This is a nice analog for a WWII eara 1911. Unlike many "Clones" the ejection port is correct, the safety is right, the sights are right, it has a blued barrel like the originals. So may "clones" have taller sights, lowered ejection port, the post War type safety, etc.
This new Turkish gun has all the features right, and they seem to be built very well. For the price, I don't see how you can go wrong.
Another option is to look for a "trashed" GI gun. Not as common as a few years back, but they're out there. This one (Ithaca frame) had the front strap stippled, but otherwise was in good shape. A Colt GI hard slide, some small parts, a spare Flannery Bolt barrel and I was in business. I sold the slide and parts I exchanged, and now have a nice shooter that's WAY cheaper than a CMP gun. Except for the stippling, it's GI all the way. A lot of these "bubba'd" GI guns are coming out of the woodwork now; patience is required. And it helped that I had some GI parts ratholed.
Last edited by OIF2; 02-09-2020 at 07:35 PM.
Doing my due diligence and putting in the homework, it came down to who’s got the most accurate WWII style model A1 clone/reproduction and of course.. money is an issue to always factor in there.
So in weighing accuracy and authenticity, the SDS 1911A1 for about $350 and the Inland 1911A1 for maybe $850 are the two that looked the most authentic from the outside... TO ME. Love the Inland’s rollmarks.. don’t like the price tag too much. I think it was found cheaper in the $650 -$750 range at one time. They’re harder to find than the SDS and thusly, price choice is limited.
Other guns that I’ve looked at has things that are different that the original A1. Grips, larger brand rollmarks in the slide. Etc.
So between my two choices. YouTube reviews certainly helped. Several inland reviews. Several SDS reviews.
Because of the sub $400 price tag, a lot of sales, the SDS has a lot of buyer reviews on websites. Some sites have like 40 purchase reviews. The gun rocks steadying form and most importantly, in function. It’s simply not junk. The only way it seems to vary from an original other than where it’s made rollmark, is I believe the barrel chamber throat is much larger than a original, which is typically a custom feature. The reviewer believes the company does that to help it eat all ammo. Nobody seems to report feed issues nor function problems, and it seems the barrel feed ramp and the good springs that it comes with don’t need to be swapped out like many import 1911’s sometimes do. So we’ve got a gun that really works like the real deal did. Other things that are right that nobody else gets right. The non-beveled mag well. The blued barrel. Nobody seems to get that right. The color of the gun. It’s that more authentic greenish black color apparently. These things you can’t really tell in website pics. Things that are right that others get right , some don’t. The trigger is the proper short trigger, slightly longer safety tang, checkered wider hammer, lanyard loop, correct dimensioned front and rear sights, plastic stocks.
The Inland A1. Again.. sure do like those rollmarks. Sure do NOT like the series 80 safety pin, but.. ya can’t see that so mayforgetfullness could pay off for me..
The got a lot of stuff right. For me to bring it in home, approaching a grand... is it worth it ?
I watched a review where the gun had about 1500 to 1800 rounds through it I think he said. I could see finish wear and use, so I wondered about how durable the finish is since that is the one question on the SDS. Finish durability. I’m not sure on the SDS. I couldn’t find anyone that said good or bad, other than the color is right. However, one Inland reviewer very much wanted to duplicate the original WWII look, and he even said that the inland was just black, and referred to the SDS as the correct color, although he seemed pro-Inland gun. He Had contacted Inland to try to get the more greenish tinted finish , but didn’t get it to happen.
The Inland functioned perfectly also. All steel gun also. The things not right that you can see. Maybe finish color.. I’m no expert with which finish is more accurate. The things that I CAN see are the mag well bevel. No biggie, but the barrel is also polished unfinished, where se the SDS is blued. That stands out to me. Some people went ahead and blued the Inland barrel to make it appear original, but I don’t want to have to do that and pay more money for the gun too. One reviewer claimed the Inland’s trigger isn’t quite a correct short trigger, said it was a “mid trigger”. I dunno.
So that was the deciding factor for me. The SDS comes as right as I can get it without any extra effort required.
I’ve decided to go ahead with the much lesser expensive gun, try it, and if it doesn’t scratch the 1911A1 itch, then I’m out less dollar bills than a Glock, and that’s the biggest factor. Everybody mentioned how tight it gun is - slide to lower. Feels quality. I will find out.
You can't go wrong with the Philippine guns....
Here is a link to what I think is a really great review of the SDS gun. I have not followed this channel before. What I like about this review is that he directly compares , side by side, this clone to a real deal WWII Colt. This helps me greatly understand things because I am not long term experienced with the military 1911 or 1911A1, although I have been shooting 1911 style off and on since I was a teen.
I just don’t think anything else comes this close. I really wish it was made on this piece of property over here. but maybe others will step up if they see more interest.
The differences he points out is the obvious that can’t be duplicated legally wouldn’t imagine.. the rollmarks.
Other than that.. it’s subtle. The brown plastic grips are not as dark as his. The hammer spur flares a little more than his Colt, but.. in his comments others claim that original Singers and others did have that type spur. The ejection port is a smidge lower than his Colt. 1911 experts may know if there were any variances - .
The big thing is function. They put hundreds of rounds through the SDS gun over several days. Disassembled and inspected for wear, metal burrs, potential issues. It passes the tests and surpasses expectations. Nobody really expects things to be perfect with this price point, and yet it is. That’s probably the biggest plus. So I’m feeling pretty good about now buying the SDS. Guys are getting this to shoot and retire the collector for fear of breaking an original part.. although the gun can still be easily fixed, but we know how original holds value.
I would have paid the money for one of the Colt reproductions but they weren't for sale here in California. I have a 1944 Colt M1911A1 and a 1946 Sistema Colt but don't shoot those regularly so the Springfield Armory fills that niche. I just checked the CA approved handguns roster and neither the SDS or Tisas guns are listed so I'll probably never have a chance to examine one.
But they do sound like a very reasonable alternative for under $400.
Those pics were fresh out of the box. Plenty of oil all over it. It wiped down and cleaned up nicely.