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    Fossil Mammoth Ivory in DANGER

    I just received this from David Warther. As silly as this sounds it can happen.


    The member Nations signatory to the Convention of International Trade of Endangered Species (CITES) will meet in Sri Lanka, May 23 to June 3, 2019. Israel and Kenya have submitted a proposal to declare the Woolly Mammoth an endangered species by placing it into Appendix II. Appendix II species are not necessarily threatened with extinction, but their trade must be controlled. In this case, the danger stems from Mammoth’s "look-alike” status to African elephant ivory opening the way for “laundering” or mislabeling of elephant ivory.

    I am asking that you follow the links and make a comment before the April 22, 2019 deadline on the issue of mammoths.
    You may be for or against this proposal but if it passes there will be no trade in ancient mammoth ivory.

    Here is the public comment sent by David Warther:

    As a citizen of the USA and as a worker in fossil mammoth ivory I would like it made known that I am opposed to the classification of the ancient mammoth as an endangered or threatened specie as set forth as a proposal in the upcoming CITES meeting. The idea of ancient mammoth ivory being a "look alike" material to elephant ivory that can thereby be utilized as a cover for the trade of illegal elephant ivory is not a reasonable concept.

    This same concept, if taken seriously, will include high grade plastics that look like ivory. I work in a man made plastic that looks much more like real elephant ivory than does any of the mammoth ivory I work in. Are they going to list petroleum as composed of endangered species as well ? The same logic that proposes that mammoths be listed would insist that petroleum be listed as well for it is from petroleum that the highest grade imitation ivory plastics are made.

    The plastic I use has been stopped twice in the past year by USFWS agents who were certain it was real ivory. In over 30 years of working mammoth ivory I have never seen USFWS or any other agency mistake mammoth ivory for elephant ivory.

    Any imitation ivory, be it mammoth ivory or a high grade plastic, will help flood the market with an alternative to elephant ivory. In the eyes of those who believe the sale of elephant ivory is harmful to the specie it is only good news to hear of an abounding supply of alternative products that have come from animals that died eons ago - whether it be an ancient mammoth or millions of trilobites that have made petroleum possible.

    There was a hearing in Washington March 13th, 2019 for public comment on this and other CITES changes. The United States Fish and Wildlife (USFW) is now deciding their position on this and all other proposals.

    USFW has already decided that an extinct animal can be legally listed as CITES Appendix II. The comments most helpful will be those that point out substantive issues. Please state facts on the issues and how it could personally affect you.

    Public Comments will be accepted until April 22, 2019. Steps to take if you want to comment:

    1) Please go to https://www.regulations.gov/

    2) Paste in this docket information FWS–HQ–IA–2017–0079

    3) Place your comments there.


    Here is the link to the full mammoth proposal:

    https://cites.org/sites/default/file...rimigenius.pdf
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    I thought the Wooly Mammoth was off the endangered list once it went extinct eons ago? I guess they can make anything long extinct endangered retroactively just because...must have been man-made global warming that caused it.
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    Prohibition = blackmarket.
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    Thanks for the heads up, Rick.

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    Thanks Rick. I just submitted my no vote.

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    Thanks Rick. I have added my comment, I hope this doesn't go through.
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    Thanks for the heads up. We really are dealing with some elected officials who are morons. I have a couple dinosaur fossils....could they be considered endangered next? Note to virtue-signaling politicians: when something is extinct, it’s already to late to save it. From the same people who love the Green New Deal.
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    while the mammoth is indeed extinct, nobody is addressing the issue that it is not easily distinguishable from elephant ivory. So while there is a lot of mammoth ivory out there,

    https://www.insidescience.org/news/i...phant-poaching

    it doesn't change the fact that it gives "cover" for poached ivory. Perhaps the only hope is that the tech for distinguishing mammoth from elephant ivory can make for a better test.

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    further to my point about better tech to distinguish between elephant and mammoth, the CITES document Rick posted talked about the difficulty of telling an endangered thresher shark fin from a non-endangered one. Enter tech to the rescue to do just that:

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/a...al-shark-fins/

    Hopefully the same tech be used one day to tell mammoth from elephant ivory. It seems like it needs some time to bring the costs down but it seems like it is right around the corner.
    Last edited by Max_Power; 04-15-2019 at 11:54 AM.


 
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