Very interesting guns CLASSIC12, especially the Auto Mag. Never got to shoot an AutoMag, but did get to shoot an acquaintance's LAR Grizzly .45 Win. Mag. The owner was a reloader, and I suspect he took loading manual's maximum loads as his starting loads. I had owned, and reloaded for, .41 and .44 Magnum revolvers. I can't remember bullet weight or velocity now, but his .45 Win Mag Loads seemed a lot worse recoil wise than my max. .44 Mag. loads.