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    I was at a show once when I asked a man to look over his python. Before allowing me to look at it, he informed me a few times that it was a very expensive gun and there were many others to choose that weren't nearly as costly. He expressed that he only allows "serious" buyers with cash to look at it.

    My buddy was laughing and told me to stop dressing like a homeless man. I told him I only had a budget for nice guns, not clothes.

    Another time, a dealer at a table asked while I was walking away if I was going to put back the grips I stole off his table. I had to prove to him that I bought them from another table.

    Maybe I should ditch my work clothes and attend shows in my "special occasions" suit.

    I had the same issue at a hot tub store. All of the salesmen turned around and walked away when I walked in. I had to basically beg for help in choosing a hot tub. The salesperson who I believe lost rock, paper, scissors and was forced to help me kept telling me "the ones you're looking at are really expensive and the cheaper ones are over there."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biffjohanson View Post
    I was at a show once when I asked a man to look over his python. Before allowing me to look at it, he informed me a few times that it was a very expensive gun and there were many others to choose that weren't nearly as costly. He expressed that he only allows "serious" buyers with cash to look at it.

    My buddy was laughing and told me to stop dressing like a homeless man. I told him I only had a budget for nice guns, not clothes.

    Another time, a dealer at a table asked while I was walking away if I was going to put back the grips I stole off his table. I had to prove to him that I bought them from another table.

    Maybe I should ditch my work clothes and attend shows in my "special occasions" suit.

    I had the same issue at a hot tub store. All of the salesmen turned around and walked away when I walked in. I had to basically beg for help in choosing a hot tub. The salesperson who I believe lost rock, paper, scissors and was forced to help me kept telling me "the ones you're looking at are really expensive and the cheaper ones are over there."
    I spent a week hunting with my brother and friends so even though I washed every day I looked bad. Stopped at a big sporting goods store in Boise to buy a Leica range finder and the clerk wouldn't let me hold it. It's all good, I looked unshaven and dirty so I saw his point. No grudge at all but I kept my cash in my pocket and walked out.
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    I find if I dress poor, I get better prices. If they don't think I have much, it sometimes works better.

    459, funny thing, I bought this Leica rangefinder yesterday, but I think you meant the other type! Knowledge is power - I got it for a very good price.

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    This attitude is to the gun store owner's owner's advantage...
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    There are always two sides to everything. My two brothers and I have run a retail baseball store in Houston TX., for over 44 years. High school level bats can reach over $400.00 now and we offer incredible prices. In this time period I have seen the buying public become ruder and ruder and ruder to the point that many times I just wish they wouldn't have even come in at all. Then they tell us sternly that it is cheaper on the internet. (We monitor the internet) We ask them to show us where and if it is cheaper we will go below that price.

    Now that most of the public realize that 98% of brick and mortar stores are dying many try to rub that in your face. We happen to still be doing very well. But 90% of them think we are starving and offer the most ridiculous prices on product that you could imagine. Everyone of them think their kid will make the hall of fame some day and you have to hear about their baseball career since first grade. You grin and bare it.

    Maybe the folks at this Forum are nice, but in our store most customers are absolute jerks.

    And Mr. azshot, you know that I like and respect you, that is a fact. But if you started playing all those games of hiding money in different pockets and such I would see through that so fast and would happily show you the door. As a retailer, I have seen everything tried.........from stealing, to trying to mix you up with money during the sale, etc., etc.

    Like I said, always two sides.

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    Ha! Yeah, I mostly hide the money when going overseas! I just don't want to have to say "all I will pay is $100..." then rifle through my wallet with 5-6 hundred dollar bills after they accept! That is what I meant. Don't flash large sums when you are a buyer....

    I think the TV show "Pawn Stars" taught a lot of the current people (buying and selling) to be rude, crude, and socially unacceptable. Like the main guy on that show always is. One rule of negotiation is not to make the other party so tense that they cancel the dialog and go home. Saying things like "how 'bout - NO!" like on that show would never fly in real life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scstrain View Post
    There are always two sides to everything. My two brothers and I have run a retail baseball store in Houston TX., for over 44 years. High school level bats can reach over $400.00 now and we offer incredible prices. In this time period I have seen the buying public become ruder and ruder and ruder to the point that many times I just wish they wouldn't have even come in at all. Then they tell us sternly that it is cheaper on the internet. (We monitor the internet) We ask them to show us where and if it is cheaper we will go below that price.

    Now that most of the public realize that 98% of brick and mortar stores are dying many try to rub that in your face. We happen to still be doing very well. But 90% of them think we are starving and offer the most ridiculous prices on product that you could imagine. Everyone of them think their kid will make the hall of fame some day and you have to hear about their baseball career since first grade. You grin and bare it.

    Maybe the folks at this Forum are nice, but in our store most customers are absolute jerks.

    And Mr. azshot, you know that I like and respect you, that is a fact. But if you started playing all those games of hiding money in different pockets and such I would see through that so fast and would happily show you the door. As a retailer, I have seen everything tried.........from stealing, to trying to mix you up with money during the sale, etc., etc.

    Like I said, always two sides.
    Just for conversation, I believe you are right that the culture has turned rude. I have collected guns for a long time and the people in the gun culture have changed tremendously in my opinion. Not only is there a generation gap with people having different priorities but the values of guns have changed too. Old guys like me missed the black gun craze and still hang on to the historical significance and mechanical beauty of the old models.

    No doubt trying to sell base ball bats is difficult in a world like we live in, I believe the net changed the culture so values were lost. In my younger days a $400 gun wasn't going to make me a better shot and I doubt a $400 bat makes a better player but it's a commitment to better yourself in buying either.
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    I watched something today that was hard to watch. At the lgs, a boy (25-30) was trading a 250 gun on what must have been about a 400 new gun. He asked best price difference. Shop owner gave it to him, 200 difference total everything included. Over the next hour or so. The boy offered 130, 150, i left to look at more guns, when got back he was up to 170 . Owner came to 189. Well over the next 15 minutes or so, the owner was getting tired, I saw this. Pulling teeth was about as fun. I wanted to just say heck trade!!! I’ll pay the difference but I felt like I might have embarrassed both of them and I really like the shop owner. He’s one of the few honest dealers I’ve ever met. He said I’ll let you have it for 180 difference. I left again, they talked more, I got back and they were striking the deal at the 180. He handed him 200. The owner said I’ll get you a 20. The boy said 20 and a box of 22 shells. The owner looked at him puzzled as I did too. Boy said, I know you’ve got a cheap box of 22s back there you can give me on the deal. Dealer was puzzled and looked around and handed him a box of 50 CCIs. Took me a minute or two to soak in what happened. I felt a bit dirty and I wasn’t even the one doing it. I thought well don’t feel too bad for the owner cause that the next time they trade, he will be paying a dollar a round for those 22s lol!!! I hadn’t watched a gun trade that tough in a few years. If me after 15 minutes, I’d just said, Son there it is, take it or leave it. After 20, I’d probably said I no longer want your gun. I believe the owner tolerated cause I figured, by some of the talk, his Dad is a good customer and maybe even a friend.


    I used to be very cheap like most gun owners, I know you reading this are the exception.... lol. It took me a few years of going to shows to realize something.... a couple guys just paid the price, no negotiation, no picking out flaws or a crease on the box, it’s just either yes or no with a THANK YOU at the end. I thought wow they could have got that 50 or a hundred cheaper... they must not be too bright. They were very smart, I was the dumb one. Then I see people coming in with superb condition boxed examples. They are asked how much? Owner says, I brought it to show a guy. Guess who’s table they end up at. The yes or no guys. Also some repeat sellers carry in back packs so they don’t have to deal with everyone asking them. I used to be cheap too, not anymore. I could say I have better “luck” now, but luck has nothing to do with it. There no such thing as luck. I remember one time us talking about a gun sold that sold incredibly high, double maybe even triple of others at auction. One of those WOW auctions. Someone here made the comment, “someone’s living right”. I never understood that, I do now.
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    I've said it before - the game is played by 'Big Boy's Rules' - money talks and BS walks.

    I dress in a sport coat, with polished boots and a fresh shave - I don't flash, and if I'm curious enough to ask a price, I'm serious, and courteous.

    I do all right.
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    I am careful buying a new gun, I wait for all the bugs to be found in the new models before I buy one. Even more careful buying a used gun because if the gun has problems it can be expensive now days. I learned to be careful the hard way as I bought too many used guns that had problems I didn't see. If the seller has the gun all tied up then you can't get a good look. First if the price is close to what I would pay then I ask the seller if I can look closer and if it's all good then I will buy it. I don't waste their time, if I pick it up I intend to buy it.
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