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    ivory on a gun / shipping

    can a 1911 with ivory be shipped out or in to the state , to new owner ????

    I understand ivory can't be sold / shipped out of owners state residence but if on a gun is it the same rules ???

    looking to buy a 1911 with ivory from MI. , im in TX. , is it doable

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    I think you are good Eagle , I myself wouldn’t worry ONE BIT on said purchase .
    Fortunately , I live by Chesiak for 1911 ..........SAA , I FUBAR
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    Also , PM RICK B SCRIMSHAW’n - he give you the green light
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    On the U.S. Fish & Wildlife webpage linked below, see the "de minimis" exception on interstate trade in pre-ban ivory:

    https://www.fws.gov/international/travel-and-trade/ivory-ban-questions-and-answers.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColtsDad View Post
    I think you are good Eagle , I myself wouldn’t worry ONE BIT on said purchase .
    Fortunately , I live by Chesiak for 1911 ..........SAA , I FUBAR
    Is Dan Chesiak still making grips? I had him make me some carved Mex Eagle one-piece grips for a Colt SAA in 1999.
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    Are your state authoritativeness going to give you approval? If not not I wouldn't buy it. I wouldn't ask for ask for internet approval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleeye View Post
    can a 1911 with ivory be shipped out or in to the state , to new owner ????

    I understand ivory can't be sold / shipped out of owners state residence but if on a gun is it the same rules ???

    looking to buy a 1911 with ivory from MI. , im in TX. , is it doable
    Sounds like you're good to me.

    There are seven requirements that an item must meet in order to claim the de minimis exception. All seven requirements must be met.

    (1)If the item is located within the U.S., the item ( the raw tusk from which the ivory was obtained) must have been imported prior to January 18, 1990,
    or was imported into the U.S. under a CITES pre-Convention certificate with no limitation on its commercial use;

    (2)If the item is located outside the U.S., the item was taken from the wild prior to February 26, 1976;

    (3)The ivory is a fixed or integral part* of a larger manufactured or handcrafted item and is not the primary source of value for the item, that is, the ivory does not account for more than fifty (50) percent of the value;

    * The "fixed or integral part" has been amended to allow for gun grips and musical instrument parts.

    (4)The ivory is not raw;

    (5)The ivory does not account for more than fifty (50) percent of the item by volume;

    (6)The total weight of the ivory is less than 200 grams; and,

    (7)The item was manufactured or handcrafted before July 6,2016.

    Remember these are federal restrictions regarding interstate commerce in African Elephant ivory only, your state may have laws that supersede the exception (but NOT Texas!)
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    Thank you Rick , for the real scoop on Federal law..
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    When Rick speaks- it’s like a bull in a room of chinaware

    I believe Dan is still doing 1911 and .380 only
    He did a few for me , and after persistent pleading
    fit someone’s material on my SAA

    He is a super nice guy , and if any nutmeggers are interested - I will make the introduction
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    Thanks Rick, for your comprehensive explanation of this complex Federal law. I wonder if 200 grams (7 ounces) is over the weight of relief-carved one-piece ivory grips for a Colt SAA? I've never weighed a pair.
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