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    Buyer Beware Roper Grips

    Just wanted to let everyone know to beware and get plenty of pics of Roper Grips before buying!!! 4 of last 6 I bought had major issues with one of the most recent being a flat out fake I believe. Other 3 issues were modifications and/or damage not shown. These were from 2 forum members and a well known dealer. I will not divulge names and respectfully ask no one to post anything either. I posted this as a help thread, not a bash thread. I do believe one of the forum members was just an honest mistake/oversight. I only mention this simply cause it doesn’t matter who you buy from, get pictures!!! I believe we are about to see a bunch of fakes appear. I sincerely hope I’m wrong, but I believe I can see the writing on the wall.

    I’ll gladly help to authenticate anyone’s with my very limited knowledge if needed and as long as I have time, which I will try to make if I dont. If you’ve had your grips 10 years or longer, you are good! There are actually some Ropers out there which don’t have the ribbon that I believe to be genuine Ropers. All Ropers have at least one diamond and/OR the cloverleaf OR ribbon-which ribbon is cloverleaf design too included. Must have one of the 3 to even be considered Ropers. These without the ribbon intrigue me but are very scarce, far more scarce than the ribbon grips. Ribbon grips always bring substantially more too. Gagne made grips are my favorites of all Ropers. Not because of the ribbon (those are beautiful tho), but If you pay attention to detail, his work is just simply better than most, the man was a very skilled craftsman and an artist. I’ll also add I don’t believe all ribbon grips were necessarily made by Gagne, as some say. The detail and craftsmanship of some ribbons, even “plain” ones, is just a grade or two above others. My knowledge isn’t Vast of Roper grips, I only had a couple sets for years because I simply refused to pay the going rate online-with all the risk associated. I’ve now came into the future a bit and have acquired a few good ones.
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    Hmmmm Roper Grips.... Sounds familiar!
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    Why don't you post some of your fakes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skilled View Post
    Why don't you post some of your fakes?
    Reason #1, I’m in process of trying to get my money back for them


    Reason #2, Already been burnt (and other kind members too) on this site offering info on boxes and Colt factory grips then much better fakes pop up “correcting” the more problem areas. Most all this Roper stuff is self taught, I have a few ways of authenticating them which I’m hanging onto. Some might not like it but again been burnt twice here doing this. Hence my offer to help authentic if anyone contacts me. That’s genuine too, not a way to try to “BackDoor” Ropers like on another forum ,,,, ......

    With as many as you have, you could school us all, lol
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    ok,
    Here ya go. This is Fake or Real ?
















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    Fake and not a very “good” fake-100% positive
    actually there’s nothing there that even remotely resembles a real Roper except the pattern and that’s even a very long stretch to say but you already knew this


    Still a good looking set of grips, Just not Ropers

    there are some “cost effective” Ropers, but this isn’t one of them. But still, I like those grips, be glad to have them on a shooter.
    Last edited by big_gus; 11-18-2019 at 05:27 PM.
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    When it comes to a Forum member why don't you just ask them to take it back. If they are an honest member then it shouldn't be a problem.
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    Skilled's stocks are imitation Ropers. The checkering is too large (too deep, too wide, too few LPI) to be Ropers. There is no square mounting hole in the back side of the stocks. The back side has striations not present in real Ropers. The ribbon has imperfections in the curve, not present in real Ropers.

    Other than that, nice stocks!
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    I guess if someone could make an imitation set of Ropers that was so close to the original no one could tell, they would be worth buying. Right?

    Because that is what people that believe in "restoration" of Colt finishes are trying to do. To me, anything that is a modern replica or recreation should have a small, permanent stamp in a location that would not show unless the gun was taken apart to look. Turnbull and all the others that are faking...ehem...recreating early 20th Century finishes should do that. Ethical violin, guitar, and painting restorers do mark their work so they can't be resold as originals. Colt and S&W used to mark a factory refinish too. Military arsenals stamped refinishes. Modern gun refinishers don't.
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    If anyone made a good copy of a Roper or any other expensive and collectible handgun grip, if they were truly honest about it, they would be marked somewhere on the inside panels that were a reproduction in some fashion...by their own logo or other marking that makes it obvious. By not doing so it seems it seems deliberate intent to defraud. At least that what I believe.

    I have no problems with restorations...when it's done with deliberate intent to defraud will I take issue with it. Professional restorations are one thing...they're quite often done better than the factory did. Amateur restorations are usually obvious but even then the untrained can be fooled...sometimes professionals with long years of knowledge get fooled as well on occasion.
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