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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
So, the 'Yankee Marshall' of YouTube announced today that Colt dealers already have the new Python but the release for sale is set for January, 2020.

I post it in the lounge because until this FYI is verified, it's not Python category worthy.
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#419 · (Edited)
I, personally, don’t think the SAA is a good comparison. I think one of 2 scenarios.

Either it will be like new vs old King Cobra. They look nothing alike. I have no desire to buy a New KC. The New KC looks so bad to me, it would make me want to buy an old one.... this equals no big impact on value of old ones.

scenario 2. It looks virtually identical just different action, then they will be more like the new Mustang vs the old Mustang. Well if the case here, they will do exactly what the old mustangs done, drop and drop hard (stainless). There were people saying the new wouldn’t affect old mustangs back then. I said it would and sold my one or 2. Nice boxed mustangs were 1000-1500. A nib Couldn’t be touched less than 1000 unless you just saw an original owner with no idea. Recently I saw a guy come in a show with an old nice original boxed mustang wanting $600. He couldn’t get that. The python has only been discontinued about 15 years, give or take a few.

Now if they reintroduced the shooting master, it would have no affect on the old ones. We aren’t talking a 50-100 year old discontinued gun. I remember 20 years ago not ordering elites cause I thought they were too high for my fresh out of school wallet. Man 1000 was a fortune to me back then. I’ve drove vehicles that didn’t cost that then lol.
 
#420 ·
There is one ringing fault between analogizing classic cars and this new Python: young people want the newer classic style cars, e.g., Mustang, Challenger, etc. They don't want revolvers.
 
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#422 ·
Before reading DSK’s above post, I hadjust browsed the closed auctions for the new Python on gunbroker .. which were, and had to be, all from Jan 1st of course. I saw the same thing. In addition to the seller of the many pythons at the set price, there were 5 or so from another seller well above msrp . No surprise there. To be expected.
But yeah, It appears dad is buying several Pythons to reward himself for his kids muscle car purchase or something, I don’t know, nor care about the wet blankets today . The only thing that’s been a little bitter sweet for me today is that my good forum friend , and he knows who he is, was not able to secure his new Python today. I’m sure it’s coming, but it’s like hitting a home run and the team still didn’t win or something.. Woulda been nice. He’s had some rough road that any of us could go through, just lousy timing is all. It all will work itself out and that new Python will be even sweeter.
 
#425 ·
It looks like Colt has developed a real nice 357 magnum revolver that RESEMBLES the original Python and put the Python roll mark on it but this new Python revolver looks 90% or more like the Colt Boa's. In my opinion to bring back the Python it would look 80% to 100% closer to the original Python. The only thing's on this new Python that look like the original Python is the barrel, front sight, serrations on front of trigger and that's about it. Just think when Colt brought back a reproduction of the original 1911 it looked 80% or higher to the original 1911 and when Colt started reproducing the 1st generation SAA's with the 2nd and 3rd generation SAA's, they also looked 80% or higher to the 1st Generation SAA's. Grant it Colt probably made a great 357 Magnum that has the Python roll mark on it and heck i may even buy one in the future once the prices come down (i'm in no hurry), and check out one in person but in the end it just RESEMBLES the original Python.
 
#433 · (Edited)
Wow, people sure can get uptight. Face it folks, manufacturing has changed. You can still get hand fitted guns though. There still are the Holland and Holland’s and Purdy’s out there that will happily take your money. But guess what, they too use CNC for sure and maybe even a MIM part or two.

Over the years that Colt built the original Pythons they found ways to produce them for less too. We older guys do not like to admit it but as time went on the quality of the Pythons did change. I vividly remember people complaining about this at that time. But now, collectors want you to think that they were all perfect and will try to get people to believe this so the old Pythons they have squirreled away will continue to go up and up in value. I understand this, it is human nature.

Now to “Real time”

Colt looks to have really tried hard on this new Python. I guess they could have spent a fortune hiring and training a small army of people to relearn the art of metal polishing. Maybe even tried to replicate the old walrus skin covered polishing wheels. Produced all internal parts a few thousands of an inch oversized so they could be “Smoke” hand fitted and then drug that magic special ball down it’s bore. I guess then, all would be happy be because you would have a, “True” Python. But guess what, it would probably have to sell for 6 to 7 grand and Colt would surely go out of business. And, all the so called, “Collectors” world be screaming how Colt is ripping everyone off.

Sorry, but in real life you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Colt looks to have produced a new Python, with modern technology while staying very close to the looks of the older. Time will tell on the action but it is looking and sounding to me that the new might be better then the old. And, were able to keep the price reasonable.

Will the new Python affect the prices of the old? I surely do not see why it can’t. But, if I had that crystal ball I would not be waisting my time here but would be trading and selling stocks while being a billionaire.

Everyone needs to chill out. What is happening at Colt right now is a good thing.

Happy New Year to all my Colt friends.
 
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Wow, people sure can get uptight. Face it folks, manufacturing has changed. You can still get hand fitted guns though. There still are the Holland and Holland’s and Purdy’s out there that will happily take your money. But guess what, they too use CNC for sure and maybe even a MIM part or two.

...Everyone needs to chill out. What is happening at Colt right now is a good thing.

Happy New Year to all my Colt friends.
Very well stated!
Vic
 
#436 ·
I have a friend that has been trying to get me to buy a 4" Python. The price was $2,500. I was interested and eventually would have bought it. But, now that the new Python is out and is probably a better shooter, I am no longer interested. I imagine many people feel this way. I do expect to see older Python's come way down in price, probably in the range of a pre-lock 686, which is around $800.
 
#437 ·
It's not just about sales...which is certainly very important to any company...not just Colt. It's also about market share. If Colt can increase their market share of the double-action revolver market...it's even better. While the market overall benefits from competition...when one company increases share, at least one other company loses some market share. Colt has been on the losing end of that for far too many years. I think it's time for Colt to make other gun companies react to them than the other way around.

I hope the new Python, along with the new Cobra and King Cobra begins a new renaissance for Colt with more new products in their not-to-far future.
 
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scstrain,

You have a lot of valid points. I've owned pythons since the early seventies and through the years they seem to have gotten better. In looking over some of the pictures I have seen including one with the sideplate clear plastic shows the gun's inner workings are similiar to the Cobra line but there is still a transfer bar like the old Colts. Looks like Colt has managed to put together a very nice gun and did not give up on quality. The stainless Python looks great! I'm guessing they will also make 2 inch models (hope), I don't know that the high polish blued python will come out. I would like to see older Colt python prices come down to reasonable costs because you should not have to get a bank loan to buy a gun!

Al Marin

Firearm Gun Revolver Trigger Starting pistol
 
#449 ·
From the picture of the internal action I can't tell if it's a transfer bar system, but I see a rebound type lever and the old Colt hand and a modified "Vee" spring to power it.
It looks like Colt has upgraded the old action that was introduced in the 1890's to a modern, stronger, and easier to make version.

I'll predict that the new Python will be a best seller for Colt.
The reputation of the original Python will boost sales to young shooters who know about the Python legend but couldn't afford to pay used car prices for a revolver.

Of course many people will complain it's not the old Python and the Colt hate will flow, but, whatever the action is, we HAVE a new Python, and from the talk, it's going to be a winner among the people who support gun companies.... shooters.
This also means that the constant reports of Colt's demise or their abandoning the civilian market are even less likely.

I'm just unhappy that due to financial realities I won't be able to buy one.
I have had a very long time love affair with the Python, and love the originals, but I'd have a new model in an instant.
 
#454 ·
They are now on GBroker - Colt MSRP is $1499 for a 4.25 - yes - listed as a 4.25 inch; or a 6 inch, SS only. GB has a few offered with $500+ markups. My check of the usual on-line dealers did not find any so I suspect the greed and gluttony will continue for a while. I do not believe I have a stocking Colt dealer close to me so I will have to wait for a while. Stuck between the 4.25 inch and the 6 inch. Already have a blued 4 and 6 inch.
 
#455 ·
I've read a couple dozen posts, and watched a few videos, but cannot do 46 pages. So, my question is, has the lockup changed, or is it still just one location, where the rear of the cylinder and ratchet meet the frame? Is there a new detent on the front of the frame, a la S&W or Ruger? Too early to tell?
Thank you
 
#456 ·
I...like others here...think the shooter grade older Pythons will either take a hit value-wise or simply stall in market value no matter how much their owners will try and sell them for more. As already stated...why pay more for a shooter grade older python when you can buy a new Python for no more or even less and get all the advantages modern construction techniques provide. Today's Government Models by Colt may not have the fine polishing in most cases but they seem to be better shooters than the days of old. The same might be said of the new Python...if it's at least as good performance-wise as the original...it's a grand slam for Colt and revolver shooters everywhere.
 
#457 ·
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned in previous posts.., it’s getting to be quite a bit to read , but Cidcw4 mentioned the new 4.25” versus the original 4” python length.
one of the things that I learned from the sales advertisements and information is that Colt went new 4.25” versus 4” due to Canadian legal barrel length requirements. Hey. Good excuse to buy a new holster.
 
#458 ·
I'm sure holster makers everywhere are applauding Colt for this alone.
 
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