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    I was keeping track of when these came back in stock but I will be placing my card firmly back in my wallet for now. I want nothing more than for these new Pythons to be a huge success but despite Colts claims otherwise I have seen a number of complaints across the various forums I take part of.

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    When the next batch become available, they’ll be right and tight. Colt realized they had an issue- they fixed the production issue, and now they’re going to extreme QC And that’s why we haven’t seen the 4” out yet. But with the scare, I have no doubt that it will be hard as a woodpeckers lips to get one now that everybody’s aware of the new python.
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    Have they fixed the cylinder advancement issue? The video yesterday with the Colt VP showed they had not even acknowledged it. He said they could not recreate it.

    As far as the crown damage goes yeah I'd let Colt fix it. The crown must be uniform or accuracy could be affected which is a bit ironic considering they recessed the crown in order to prevent damage.
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    We need to discuss semantics here. Colt needs to fix one of the below:

    1. Issue - ongoing problem for a significant number of units. Such as 5-10%. Usually resolved with engineering, manufacturing design changes. I don't think they have this.
    - or -
    2. Guys gun - problem with one or two (statistically insignificant number) units. Usually resolved with QA measures to detect the rare problem units and cull. They think they have this.

    A company next will take steps to determine Root Cause/Corrective Action. They will ask for the "problem" guns to be sent and try to replicate the problem. If they can't duplicate it...what then? Either the operator was using it wrong, ammo problem, something fixed itself during return shipping, or the illusive "sunspot activity" that we engineers know of.

    Every time someone says "Colt needs to fix THE ISSUE" they are implying it's a big engineering or manufacturing problem for most/all guns. It's not. It's a very rare occurrence, possibly operator error. You notice Colt is not running around with their hair on fire, screaming "STOP PRODUCTION! We've got a BIG Problem to FIXXXX!" They are calmly waiting to see if it is operator error, random QA misses, or whatever. Because they've tested the Python design with hundreds or thousands of test firings. Everyone ELSE is running around screaming with their hair on fire. Because what, 3 guns on YouTube videos MIGHT have a problem? Insane.
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    It is ironic. But just in the rumor mill, which is all I can say.. it’s not that they hosed up trying to do the muzzle.. they actually got it right.. the damage was introduced during another process. You know.. when you hear how things really happen, one can see how human error can be a part of anything we do.
    Hey. , I just got 5 bad hand controls in a row for some medical equipment. Been doing these 25+ yrs.. never had 5 bad out of the box identical parts. Shitaki happens. The only reason I didn’t have to replace everything else in thinking it can’t be the issue is that I had another machine to prove it did the same thing on another working system.
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    Azshot —. Exactly !
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    We don't know what Colt is doing internally. I suspect they are trying to reproduce the issue or they know what is is happening but do not want to address it. It's their product so that's their call.

    Also blaming the operator for this issue seems absurd to me. No other Colts require anything other than a consistent pull to the rear to work. An experienced shooter like hickok45 is not going to be doing anything unusual. Now if there is something about the new Python action that requires the trigger to be operated in a new way then the consumer needs to be informed. It's possible. Hell, it could explain why something is clearly happening that was not caught by Colt's QA.

    All that said I hope they fix it and I still want one once the facts and bugs are worked out.

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    Sorry about that, Sten.. we we get all fired up and next thing you know, ol Jed’s a millionaire... he’s got a scratch on his python. .. and that ain’t pretty.
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    It's all good!

    I think the one thing the vast majority of us have in common is that we really want the new Python to be great and we want to buy one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azshot View Post
    We need to discuss semantics here. Colt needs to fix one of the below:

    1. Issue - ongoing problem for a significant number of units. Such as 5-10%. Usually resolved with engineering, manufacturing design changes. I don't think they have this.
    - or -
    2. Guys gun - problem with one or two (statistically insignificant number) units. Usually resolved with QA measures to detect the rare problem units and cull. They think they have this.

    A company next will take steps to determine Root Cause/Corrective Action. They will ask for the "problem" guns to be sent and try to replicate the problem. If they can't duplicate it...what then? Either the operator was using it wrong, ammo problem, something fixed itself during return shipping, or the illusive "sunspot activity" that we engineers know of.

    Every time someone says "Colt needs to fix THE ISSUE" they are implying it's a big engineering or manufacturing problem for most/all guns. It's not. It's a very rare occurrence, possibly operator error. You notice Colt is not running around with their hair on fire, screaming "STOP PRODUCTION! We've got a BIG Problem to FIXXXX!" They are calmly waiting to see if it is operator error, random QA misses, or whatever. Because they've tested the Python design with hundreds or thousands of test firings. Everyone ELSE is running around screaming with their hair on fire. Because what, 3 guns on YouTube videos MIGHT have a problem? Insane.

    That's pretty much what as explained to me by Wife 1.0 who was in the government and watched medical devices and how they operated. She explained that if a cardiac stent (doesn't really matter what piece of equipment) didn't work properly a number of things had to be investigated...

    Whether the design was faulty.
    If the design was sound was there an issue with the materials used.
    If the materials used were proper was the manufacturing processes sound.
    If the manufacturing processes were sound was the quality control faulty.
    And on...

    It's not always a simple thing to determine where the fault lies...and it could be more than one thing at fault.
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