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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydehunter
    I "heard" that standard is working on doing that with Colt

    I hope that is actually true as it would be good for everyone I think. But I "heard" it on the Internet is meaningless.

    Here is the link to the current Standard staff. But it's not the entire staff. I've been told there are a number of past Colt and USFA employees there.

    http://stdgun.com/meet-the-team/

    Peter Rhodes was THE man behind what became the USFA SAA. Richard Stoddard came from years in the Colt Custom shop. Jason Rhodes is another past USFA employee.

    No question the entire staff is squared away and the guns show it. I just hope that when someone writes the history of USFA they include the direct connection to Standard and how Standard got to where it is....or will be.... in the SAA world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azshot View Post
    I've thought that if a) Standard is making a better SAA than Colt and b) many of the old Colt masters went to Standard, why doesn't Colt just licence Standard? Stamp "Colt" on it, and let people get the best of both worlds: 1920 quality, and the vaunted Colt name stamp.

    BTW, all I own is real Colts too. But 1st generation. Used to have an Italian cap and ball back in the 70s, but sold it.
    The patents on the Colt SAA are long expired. What would Colt license??

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjwils View Post
    Shooter214, may I ask what ammo you used that shoot to point of aim? Thank you.

    I don't have one, but your comment makes me think I might want one.
    My reloads consisting of a 250gr RNFP loaded with Trail Boss and Unique powder.
    The Unique load is the most accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azshot View Post
    I've thought that if a) Standard is making a better SAA than Colt and b) many of the old Colt masters went to Standard, why doesn't Colt just licence Standard? Stamp "Colt" on it, and let people get the best of both worlds: 1920 quality, and the vaunted Colt name stamp.
    Because a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.
    Shakespeare said that.

    It doesn't have to be a "Colt" to be an exceptionally well made revolver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yahoody View Post
    I hope that is actually true as it would be good for everyone I think. But I "heard" it on the Internet is meaningless.

    Here is the link to the current Standard staff. But it's not the entire staff. I've been told there are a number of past Colt and USFA employees there.

    http://stdgun.com/meet-the-team/...
    I see they offer LE discounted pricing, active and retired.
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    I have my goal set on a Standard SAA and not a current Colt. Like most here I have spent a boatload of money on my Uberti's in many forms and levels of craftsmanship. I currently favor my pre-war U.S. finished Uberti that is stunning in it's CCH and function. However at one time I desired a Colt SAA but since I am unable to hold and select a current model in person and the current hammer finish is a put off, I moved on to Standard. Today I must focus on pairing down my least favored SAA's and apply the money towards a Standard in the future. I would like to get a Colt, but they are unable to produce them. BUT I can get a Standard SAA, and at anytime I'm ready they have called me and told directly that they will get me one when I'm ready for it. They have sent me their CCH 1911 Engraved model and it has me floored with their fit and function. Anyway, I find these opinions very interesting and the efforts of Standards workmanship welcome in todays SAA world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shooter214 View Post
    Because a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.
    Shakespeare said that.

    It doesn't have to be a "Colt" to be an exceptionally well made revolver.

    I agree.............My USFA Cowboy, USFA 12-22 and my Uberti El Patron Competition come to mind............

    Those Standards look great, and are "IN STOCK", but the Uberti does everything I ask of it, for about 1/3 the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beemermark View Post
    The patents on the Colt SAA are long expired. What would Colt license??
    The patents may be expired but the name "Single Action Army" is most likely trademarked...that doesn't expire unless the company voluntarily gives it up or licenses it. Colt tried to keep other companies from using the "M4" name but a court denied it as "M4" is a government name not a Colt trademark.
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    I wasn't talking about the name of these revolvers. I was thinking that if Colt licenced Standard to make them and use the name Colt, it could be stamped on the gun. Then you'd have the best of both worlds: a very well made SAA, and the "Colt" name on it. Like the 2nd Generation cap and ball revolvers, or the recent 1903 re-do. Both were made outside the company, but stamped "Colt".

    If I understand it right, Colt was late to the game making the 2nd Generation SAA in the 1950s, after several competitors already were in the market like Great Western.

    Then in the 70s Colt didn't want to make 2nd Generation cap and ball Colts, but had their arm twisted by Lou who finally got an off-site arrangement going.

    Then in the 2000s another company thought the 1903 hammerless automatic would do well, but Colt didn't want to make them, so they gave their name to the company to make them.

    For the past 2-3 years as Colt teeters in bankruptcy, they have had trouble producing the SAA in it's standard form. They've cancelled the black powder frame. They've radically shut down the Custom Shop, and now quote thousands of dollars and many months or years wait if you take the chance to order through it's remnant. Just saying....why not just let Standard be their "custom shop" for SAAs, and stamp them Colt?
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    I think I'll just keep the three Colt SAA's I have and leave it at that.
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