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Didnt see an NFA section (or maybe i should join a machinegun forum).....anyway i have a 1928 model thompson with a parkerized finish. its a pretty beat up finish, no gouges or pitting just alot of wear. Now the question is do i lose alot of value refinishing an NFA item? I mean they arent adding any of these (or any other full auto) into circulation and at the least it would look really pretty. If for the refinish, would i be better off with the bluing or re-parkerizing it?

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I don't think you would hurt the value with a professional refinish on a 1928...May even help it, if it's really bad cosmetic condition. Like you said, they are not making anymore and most people who want these can afford the ammo. Sold mine years ago and haven't looked back.
 

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exactly what i was thinkin kid sopris. think i want to do a nice blue on it, ill call up some of the fan favorites cogans/fords to see if they will do it.
 

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Pictures, pictures, pictures. Don't do nutten until your weapon has been identified! There are so many varieties of Tommies touching anything could damage the value considerably.

Look here => Subguns - Machine Gun Price Guide and you will see that seven common varieties are listed. There are so many more.

 

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wow, thats a cool sight. ill throw up some pics later when i get home. ive got a an old spitfire (cool seeing it on that sight) that i suped up with so many mods its crazy. Ive:
put in a m3a1 gg bolt
double trigger for full/semi auto
put in custom feed ramp to solve jamming issues
cut thread barrel to 8'
custom submachine can that has ENOURMOUS volume (i also have the serial number of the can match the gun)
Cerakoted the upper and the lower.
It is postively the best machinegun/most quiet of all the NFA items i have. I know its worth no where near as much as my tommy but i got to wonder what that is worth too
 

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Didnt see an NFA section (or maybe i should join a machinegun forum).....anyway i have a 1928 model thompson with a parkerized finish. its a pretty beat up finish, no gouges or pitting just alot of wear. Now the question is do i lose alot of value refinishing an NFA item? I mean they arent adding any of these (or any other full auto) into circulation and at the least it would look really pretty. If for the refinish, would i be better off with the bluing or re-parkerizing it?

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Coltlover,
I recommend you go to www.machinegunboards.com and ask that question.
There are many Colt TSMG owners on that site who will overwhelm you with advise. Be prepared to post photos.
Jim C
 

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While you're at it there, Mister, how 'bout an appropriate Naval avatar also? Ha! Great to have another "O" amongst us. Welcome aboard, from the Gunshine State!
 

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If it's a commercial Model 1928 it should be blued since that's probably the original type finish.
If it's a Model 1928-A1 it would have probably been parkerized.

You need to figure out what was original and go with that.
 

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If it's a commercial Model 1928 it should be blued since that's probably the original type finish.
If it's a Model 1928-A1 it would have probably been parkerized.

You need to figure out what was original and go with that.
Original finish WW2 Thompsons were blued. The receivers were unpolished and were not shiny. The barrels were slightly shiny. Any WW2 Thompsons that are parkerized were made so during rebuild.
All Colt Thompsons were blued. They were equal in quality to the 1921 handguns.
I once again, advise Coltlover to go to www.machinegunboards.com and post photos if he wants good advise.
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Didnt see an NFA section (or maybe i should join a machinegun forum).....anyway i have a 1928 model thompson with a parkerized finish. its a pretty beat up finish, no gouges or pitting just alot of wear. Now the question is do i lose alot of value refinishing an NFA item? I mean they arent adding any of these (or any other full auto) into circulation and at the least it would look really pretty. If for the refinish, would i be better off with the bluing or re-parkerizing it?

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If it's a "1928" Colt Navy , or Bridgeport/Savage WWII era "1928", leave finish alone. Is it a grey or greenish park? Does it have inspector marks/initials?

If a NAC or West Hurley Thompson, maybe refinish not a big deal.
 

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The Savage 1928's were parkerized, were they not? But I think the OP said his was a Colt in the title of his first post.
 

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ColtLover1122, welcome.

See you are in Hampton Roads. Quite a few Full Auto collectors and shooters here. Not many places to shoot em though. I have seen quite a few Colt 1928's that were parked after they left the Colt factory (most were US Military or LEO guns). I had the pleasure of spending a whole day with the late Kent Lomont in his Indiana digs back in the 1980's before he quit his job and moved his operations to Idaho. He had several dozen Thompsons in his sales inventory, and my favorites were his Savage 1928 Commercial TSMG from a Connecticut PD and a pristine 1921 Colt with Cutts Comp in its original Indiana Police briefcase. I almost paid him $3000 for the 1921 Colt "Gangster"gun he had, which was a Colt that was missing the front grip and buttstock and the serial numbers had been removed in its past. The IRS/BATF was kind enough to remark it was a IRS number when it was registered in the Amnesty. I dont remember where he got it, but it was probably the way General Thompson had idealized the gun, since it fired so fast and it devastated the 3 steel drums Kent let me shoot. No matter what the finish was originally, if it is parked now, best to keep it as is. A Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request will result in the history of the guns, with limits. The Machinegun boards are really nice for info about your piece. Also, if you are new to Virginia - dont forget to have the TSMG registered with the VA State Police! Congrats on your gun! mentally kicking myself in the ass for not grabbing a TSMG when they were less expensive.
 

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A few people now have mentioned a Freedom of Information Act request, in order to uncover the history of some of these guns. I know what an FOIA request is, but I have never heard of it used to obtain historical information on machine guns. I had always heard that this type of information was confidential, as it relates to NFA items, because the ATF registration of these guns is essentially "tax information" and therefore considered private by the government. (I.e. They won't disclose it to anyone other than the particular current owner/"taxpayer") Could someone please explain how a FOIA request is actually done - what form is used, where it gets sent, what info to give and what info one might expect to get back - with respect to machine guns? And how this is possible, since I always thought this info was private/confidential?
 

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msw,

You really need to check out the machinegunboards site as Jim suggested. All of your questions will be answered there.

I own more than a couple machine-guns, they all have been FOIA'd to get it's born on date and type of transfer form used.

I have one gun that the ATF actually divulged who the original purchaser was, it was a Nevada Sheriff's Dept. I've since contacted
the Dept's historian and have got some great photos and info on it.

Darryl
 

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DarrylTA you are pretty lucky to get the original purchaser info. A friend of mine used to work as a lawyer for BATF in Washington DC as an explosives compliance industry specialist. He suggested to me once to ask for the FOIA information, to INCLUDE the Original ZIP Codes of the registrants. Doesnt sound like much, but the BATF or IRS Forms are tax info, and a BATF FOIA specialist will usually black out all the cool info. A zip code if it is registered after 1965 will let you zone in on research of PD's sherriffs or others like that.

I found out my Dad's Amnesty Swedish K subgun was originally registered by a Chicago Sherrif (Cook Country), then transferred the same month to an individual in a town south of Chicago (probably registered for another LEO). The zip code trick allowed me to trace it from Chicago to Joliet to downstate Illinois (Tony Scherrer) then to my Dad. Well worth doing.
 
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