Take and post a GOOD pic of top of frame. The rear sight channel is the area in question.I am new to these guns and don't know really what to look for. I don't know what a pinched frame isCan someone post a pic please? Also a pic of a copy, so I can compare.What markings/lack of markings should I look for?Thanks for all the input!
Pinched frames were only produced on the first 100-200 SAAs which had numerous other small differences until all subtle details were standardized. Like very long loading gates, #1 style ejector rod housing, stampings, etc.ANSWERS:
1. Pinched frame Colt looks like this. It comes from an article we wrote last year on Colt collecting. Buying Colt Single Actions ? A Beginner?s Guide & Unique Auction It should be very helpful to your current situation.
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I'm no expert on pinched frames but I don't like the looks of the example posted. If I had the money to buy one i'd require an X-ray of the sight area before dropping the cash!Pinched frames were only produced on the first 100-200 SAAs which had numerous other small differences until all subtle details were standardized. Like very long loading gates, #1 style ejector rod housing, stampings, etc.
Pinched frames are often faked by welding up a later Colt and re-milling. But in the photo above you can see the long loading gate on the pinched frame gun on the right; another way to verify (if it hasn't been faked as well). Notice the rear edge of the short loading gate on the left. The very early long loading gate rear edge extends almost all the way back to the hammer.
I went to the link above. You guys did an excellent job on that site. The zoom in shots are spectacular. I clicked on the 44 Rim Fire lot # and watched the video. I have to tell you though, I was aghast at your “expert” in the video at the bottom. He doesn’t even know to fully cock the hammer before letting it down and he did it on two $100,000 plus rare Colts!!!
At least not until it was "outed" and he may be the 10th owner since it had been faked and not the one who did it, he only knows that he didn't pay much money for it. Outed fakes often end up in the hands of those that know the least about real Colts.I don't think someone would go to the trouble to fake a pinched frame and then sell it for $1200. Pictures will tell the story.
Hardly! Thanks to all the clones produced in black powder configuration, those that know the term "Bullseye Ejector" out number those that know what a pinched frame is by at least 100,000 to 1. "What's a pinched frame?" was even asked in this thread!Also. If the seller knows enough to call the ejector rod head a "Bullseye" I think he would know if he had a real COLT pinched frame. At $1200 I am leaning toward a Belgium/Spanish/Mexico copy.
I agree. How many US guns do you see for sale at the shows with a Kopec authentication letter? A bad letter is the kiss of death from a value stand point. I think some ( not all) of the dealers " don't wanna know!"At least not until it was "outed" and he may be the 10th owner since it had been faked and not the one who did it, he only knows that he didn't pay much money for it. Outed fakes often end up in the hands of those that know the least about real Colts.
There are also faked guns in very high priced collections that aren't "discovered" until they go to auction where they are finally evaluated by an expert. Having a gun evaluated for authenticity by a professional is not cheap and some collectors would rather not know so they can resell it with a clean conscience. Colt SAAs are the most faked firearm in the world.