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2008 Colt Match Target Competition HBAR w/compensator,5.56 NATO,20" Barrel MT6700

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I finally bought my first AR-15 in April! Did this come with just a Mil-Spec or better than Mil-Spec Trigger?
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Picture borrowed from the web (but I actually have one of this trigger set).

Check your hammer if it looks like this in my picture, Colt low mass hammer type II with notch, nickle finish, or type I without the notch.

These are the match trigger set they installed on Colt models CR6724/ CR6720 Colt Accurized Rifles and other models that they upgraded the triggers.

Usually breaks at a smooth 6 pounds, if yours have this it's better than the standard semi auto triggers.
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You could also tell from the exterior by noticing the trigger bow and pins.
They definitely have a different finish which looks silver, pins possibly even stainless. View attachment 760846
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Yes, I’m rolling two old I pads and a phone - I will work on the photo, but it’s definitely noticeable.
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^^ You're as bad as me Brother ^^ !!!

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Welcome to the COLT Forum from the Cradle Of Liberty...Pennsylvania !!



Enjoy Our Community Sir...and Congrats on your new Colt HBAR !!
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Plan B, went to the vault ( firedot needed a battery anyway) ,chopper .
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Oh, n shooter - yes I’m bad , probably not even as bad as Mrs. Shooter though.
You guys are professionals, with the best training in the world - I’m amateur.
Maybe I close the gap a little in the future - when you’re in your mid eighties...and me very early sixties. Live long and prosper , my friend !
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Saws - that muzzle break is after market fyi. Fantastic rifle though!
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Picture borrowed from the web (but I actually have one of this trigger set).

Check your hammer if it looks like this in my picture, Colt low mass hammer type II with notch, nickle finish, or type I without the notch.

These are the match trigger set they installed on Colt models CR6724/ CR6720 Colt Accurized Rifles and other models that they upgraded the triggers.

Usually breaks at a smooth 6 pounds, if yours have this it's better than the standard semi auto triggers.
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I have added a Harris Bi-pod not shown, Crimson Trace CMR-206 Rail Master® Universal Green Laser Sight, Daniel Defense M-LOK® VERTICAL FOREGRIP, Vortex StrikeFire® II Red Dot, Vortex VMX-3T Magnifier, Geissele Super 42 Braided Wire Buffer Spring and Buffer Combo, H1, MAGPUL MOE® M-LOK® Hand Guard, Rifle-Length – AR15/M4, MOE® Rifle Stock. Should I replace the fixed front sight with a Low Profile Gas Block, and replace the MAGPUL Hand Guard with a Free Floating Hand-guard? I just received a AXEON OPTICS ABSOLUTE ZERO EASY RIFLE SIGHT IN DEVICE - DUAL RED LASER, but I have not tried it yet.

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Saws


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Looks like Mil Spec. What would you recommend as an upgrade? I liked the triggers on the M16A1 and M16A2 that I was issued in the Army. What about the Wilson Combat TACTICAL TRIGGER KIT, AR PLATFORM, SINGLE STAGE, SEMI-AUTO, NICKEL TEFLON, 5 3/4 LB?
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Saws - that muzzle break is after market fyi. Fantastic rifle though!
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New out of the box with Manual 2008 Model Match Target Competition HBAR w/compensator, 223 Rem,20" Barrel

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Saws
I’m going with the Geissele on my main 6940 , just to match with my spring / buffer like yours.
I’m told by many that the Larue tactical is almost as good - for less than half price.
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New out of the box with Manual 2008 Model Match Target Competition HBAR w/compensator, 223 Rem,20" Barrel

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Saws
Well, I stand corrected if that's the factory brake. I've just never seen Colt do anything other than the current flash hider or nothing at all in ban states on their rifles.

Neither of my match target HBARs had that style as new.
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You should enjoy that new Match Target.

I bought an HBAR in 1987 and used it extensively on the National Match course of fire and shot quite a few prairie dogs with it.

After completely shooting the throat out of the barrel and suffering a severe degradation in accuracy, I rebuilt it with a new SS match barrel and upgraded the sights with a 1/4 MOA per click sight and stabilized the front sight. I've had a Krieger double stage trigger in it for many years and that stayed, but it got a new free-floating handguard with steel liner and a unique silent main spring and buffer.

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I have added a Harris Bi-pod not shown, Crimson Trace CMR-206 Rail Master® Universal Green Laser Sight, Daniel Defense M-LOK® VERTICAL FOREGRIP, Vortex StrikeFire® II Red Dot, Vortex VMX-3T Magnifier, Geissele Super 42 Braided Wire Buffer Spring and Buffer Combo, H1, MAGPUL MOE® M-LOK® Hand Guard, Rifle-Length – AR15/M4, MOE® Rifle Stock. Should I replace the fixed front sight with a Low Profile Gas Block, and replace the MAGPUL Hand Guard with a Free Floating Hand-guard? I just received a AXEON OPTICS ABSOLUTE ZERO EASY RIFLE SIGHT IN DEVICE - DUAL RED LASER, but I have not tried it yet.

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Saws


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Looks like Mil Spec. What would you recommend as an upgrade? I liked the triggers on the M16A1 and M16A2 that I was issued in the Army. What about the Wilson Combat TACTICAL TRIGGER KIT, AR PLATFORM, SINGLE STAGE, SEMI-AUTO, NICKEL TEFLON, 5 3/4 LB?
Nice and good changes that you made to your personal preference, it won't be the last, most of us AR owners continuously upgrade whenever new parts and accessories are available.

I'm going to start with suggested changes that will prevent any future trouble first then followed by the next improvements that you are asking about.

First possible problem is the muzzle brake, most pinned brake without thread on the barrel failed and get launched toward the shooting range, it happens all the time.

That way of attaching a muzzle brake to the barrel is wrong technically and proven bad with all the launched brakes in the past.

If you are in a free state (no ban laws) you should have your barrel muzzle threaded, and install a similar muzzle brake or any other type you want.

If you're in a ban state have the barrel threaded, the muzzle brake pinned and the outer end of the pin welded, usually called pin and welded it is mostly accepted in most ban states, look at your local laws to be sure.

The other thing that might go bad is you replacement buffer and buffer spring, your rifle should use the longer rifle buffer spring and longer buffer for rifles.

Carbine buffer and carbine springs are shorter and should mostly be used on carbines only. Carbine buffer tube, carbine buffer spring and carbine buffer could be used on rifle length 18" to 20" barrels but never mixed with rifle and carbine parts.

For the front sight it is not necessary to replace it with a low profile gas block, it is only required if you want to use a free floating handguard.

Using a scope at over 3X magnification the front sight gets blurry like a ghost, and at higher magnification almost disappears.

Your rifle have a large pin size 0.170" diameter compared to normal mil-spec small size pins of 0.154" and the large pins trigger sets are usually slightly more money than small pin size.

I've got a Geissele two stage trigger (small pins) on my main 6920 M4 carbine that have a clean smooth trigger break of 4 pounds, it's my favorite maybe later I'll get a better Geissele SSA.

LaRue Tactical triggers are also good for less money, but make sure you look for triggers with large pins 0.170", they're available but with fewer brands than the small pins triggers.

I had been a long time Colt AR owner for around 50 years now, currently I have 4 Colt carbines and one 20" standard government profile barrel rifle.

I had a Colt AR-15A2 R6600 HBAR from 1986 up to 2001 which I mainly used for DCM/ CMP rifle matches from the mid '80s to the mid '90s.

Let us know if you have any other questions.
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The Geissele spring and buffers do have 2 options.
Quiet stock spring for me = some grease, but I’m sure I still don’t shoot as good as Rudy, or Scharf. The one somewhat limited drawback with my Colt Accurized Rifle is I’m kinda limited to 55gr. because of twist. That being said , anyone I ever let shoot ( including beginners) shoots minimum 1.5” @ 100yds. in short time. This is to give them a huge confidence boost as a new shooter.
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Nice and good changes that you made to your personal preference, it won't be the last, most of us AR owners continuously upgrade whenever new parts and accessories are available.

I'm going to start with suggested changes that will prevent any future trouble first then followed by the next improvements that you are asking about.

First possible problem is the muzzle brake, most pinned brake without thread on the barrel failed and get launched toward the shooting range, it happens all the time.

That way of attaching a muzzle brake to the barrel is wrong technically and proven bad with all the launched brakes in the past.

If you are in a free state (no ban laws) you should have your barrel muzzle threaded, and install a similar muzzle brake or any other type you want.

If you're in a ban state have the barrel threaded, the muzzle brake pinned and the outer end of the pin welded, usually called pin and welded it is mostly accepted in most ban states, look at your local laws to be sure.

The other thing that might go bad is you replacement buffer and buffer spring, your rifle should use the longer rifle buffer spring and longer buffer for rifles.

Carbine buffer and carbine springs are shorter and should mostly be used on carbines only. Carbine buffer tube, carbine buffer spring and carbine buffer could be used on rifle length 18" to 20" barrels but never mixed with rifle and carbine parts.

For the front sight it is not necessary to replace it with a low profile gas block, it is only required if you want to use a free floating handguard.

Using a scope at over 3X magnification the front sight gets blurry like a ghost, and at higher magnification almost disappears.

Your rifle have a large pin size 0.170" diameter compared to normal mil-spec small size pins of 0.154" and the large pins trigger sets are usually slightly more money than small pin size.

I've got a Geissele two stage trigger (small pins) on my main 6920 M4 carbine that have a clean smooth trigger break of 4 pounds, it's my favorite maybe later I'll get a better Geissele SSA.

LaRue Tactical triggers are also good for less money, but make sure you look for triggers with large pins 0.170", they're available but with fewer brands than the small pins triggers.

I had been a long time Colt AR owner for around 50 years now, currently I have 4 Colt carbines and one 20" standard government profile barrel rifle.

I had a Colt AR-15A2 R6600 HBAR from 1986 up to 2001 which I mainly used for DCM/ CMP rifle matches from the mid '80s to the mid '90s.

Let us know if you have any other questions.

NOTE: The Super 42 is for use with Carbine length buffer tubes and is not compatible with rifle length or A5 buffer tubes/receiver extensions, a special rifle length Super-42 is available on our website. We do not recommend the Super 42 with 300 Blackout subsonic ammunition. The Super 42 Spring may be too powerful and not allow the rifle to function properly.

If it is a 20" Barrel, Would it not be a Rifle gas system? Would you recommend a Super 42 Braided Wire Buffer Spring and Buffer Combo, H1?

Zach V (Geissele Automatics)
Nov 9, 2021, 10:09 AM EST
Good morning Mr. Hammers,

Yes, it could very well be a rifle-length gas system; however, many AR15s are actually carbine/mid-length gas systems despite being "rifles". I simply wanted to make sure I had all the information before offering a recommendation. :)

Yes, the H1 would likely be the best bet. With .223 ammunition, the weights may vary from our chart, as that chart is based on 556 NATO pressured ammo (higher pressure). Generally, with 223, you'll want to go lighter for the buffer weight (since there is less pressure which means less gas to push the buffer).

I've attached a chart below to help you adjust your buffer weight based on your ejection angle. Keep a close eye on the angle, or have a spotter help you, to fully dial in your buffer system. And again, this chart is a rule of thumb designed for 556 NATO, so .223 usage may causes some changes.

Let me know if you have any other questions!

Thank you,
Zach

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Saws in Idaho
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NOTE: The Super 42 is for use with Carbine length buffer tubes and is not compatible with rifle length or A5 buffer tubes/receiver extensions, a special rifle length Super-42 is available on our website. We do not recommend the Super 42 with 300 Blackout subsonic ammunition. The Super 42 Spring may be too powerful and not allow the rifle to function properly.

If it is a 20" Barrel, Would it not be a Rifle gas system? Would you recommend a Super 42 Braided Wire Buffer Spring and Buffer Combo, H1?

Zach V (Geissele Automatics)
Nov 9, 2021, 10:09 AM EST
Good morning Mr. Hammers,

Yes, it could very well be a rifle-length gas system; however, many AR15s are actually carbine/mid-length gas systems despite being "rifles". I simply wanted to make sure I had all the information before offering a recommendation. :)

Yes, the H1 would likely be the best bet. With .223 ammunition, the weights may vary from our chart, as that chart is based on 556 NATO pressured ammo (higher pressure). Generally, with 223, you'll want to go lighter for the buffer weight (since there is less pressure which means less gas to push the buffer).

I've attached a chart below to help you adjust your buffer weight based on your ejection angle. Keep a close eye on the angle, or have a spotter help you, to fully dial in your buffer system. And again, this chart is a rule of thumb designed for 556 NATO, so .223 usage may causes some changes.

Let me know if you have any other questions!

Thank you,
Zach

Thanks

Saws in Idaho
Would the Super 42 Rifle Length Spring work better than the spring that came with the Super 42 Braided Wire Buffer Spring and Buffer Combo, H1 that I purchased from Optics Planet?

Thanks

Saws
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