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Actor Ben Cooper’s extreme fast draw.

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I found this nine second video of actor Ben Cooper in a western drawing a gun with extreme speed. In a movie I can’t remember the name of he was as fast as I’ve ever seen before. Watching the other two guys in this video, their movements do not look like the film was speeded up. What do you think? His gun rig is an Anderson Walk And Draw.


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I don't remember who the actor was, but there was an 80's? TV show "Alias Smith and Jones" with one of the actors just blindingly fast.
I don't know if special effects "helped" it out, but the speed was astounding.
Hi. The actor’s name was Ben Murphy and if you go back and watch an episode you will see that you never actually see him make the draw. It show’s him about to draw, cuts away and cuts back and the pistol is already out. Clear sign that the actor was too slow to draw on camera.
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Supposedly Lee Van Cleef (the Bad) and Clint Eastwood (the Good, naturally), got into a sporting argument over who would actually be a faster shot from the holster, and the argument got to the point that it had to be settled. On set for 'Good/Bad/Ugly' and lacking a better way to time it, they filmed it and counted who took how many frames to draw and fire (I want to say they were actually shooting at stationery targets, but can't recall) - I think Van Cleef won by about 6 or 7 frames, or about a quarter to a third of a second.

Always wondered how much truth there was to that one...

Sammy was a legend though, and bless Ben Cooper. Interestingly, one of the coolest Hollywood silver-screen era collections I've ever seen a photo of was part of the comedian Bud Abbott's - he had quite a collection, including an SAA gifted from Tom Mix. I'll have to see if I can find that one - it's in an old book around here somewhere, don't think I've ever seen it online.
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Supposedly Lee Van Cleef (the Bad) and Clint Eastwood (the Good, naturally), got into a sporting argument over who would actually be a faster shot from the holster, and the argument got to the point that it had to be settled. On set for 'Good/Bad/Ugly' and lacking a better way to time it, they filmed it and counted who took how many frames to draw and fire (I want to say they were actually shooting at stationery targets, but can't recall) - I think Van Cleef won by about 6 or 7 frames, or about a quarter to a third of a second.

Always wondered how much truth there was to that one...

Sammy was a legend though, and bless Ben Cooper. Interestingly, one of the coolest Hollywood silver-screen era collections I've ever seen a photo of was part of the comedian Bud Abbott's - he had quite a collection, including an SAA gifted from Tom Mix. I'll have to see if I can find that one - it's in an old book around here somewhere, don't think I've ever seen it online.
Too bad they didn’t say how many frames it took for him to draw instead of how many he won by. There is one way to tell if an actor is truly fast and in the top group of fast draw actors. If they show the actor making the complete draw with no edits and where you can see that it is really the actor making the draw, then they are the real deal. In so many scenes there are edits during the draw. Like Sammy Davis supposedly making the knife throw and fast draw in an episode of the rifleman. There were multiple edits in that scene. However people swear they saw Sammy throw the knife and then draw and fire.
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Too bad they didn’t say how many frames it took for him to draw instead of how many he won by. There is one way to tell if an actor is truly fast and in the top group of fast draw actors. If they show the actor making the complete draw with no edits and where you can see that it is really the actor making the draw, then they are the real deal. In so many scenes there are edits during the draw. Like Sammy Davis supposedly making the knife throw and fast draw in an episode of the rifleman. There were multiple edits in that scene. However people swear they saw Sammy throw the knife and then draw and fire.
Agreed. For better and worse, in 'take' shots a lot of the time for actors they don't get a say, which is sensible from the perspective it's work, but also kinda disappointing.

I worked a little in PA stuff in my 20s - some of the stuff the actors, even the 'day player' types, would learn like at a pro level and then absolutely nail just to get told they were doing another shot for like a close-up of the hands and stuff - you could see how pissed/heartbroken some them were - one woman, I won't say who because she's now well known, had taken like a 3-month crash course and actually learned how to play the piano - and then on-set the director told her "Oh don't worry we'll just add that in post, we didn't even tune this old thing." :censored:
Agreed. For better and worse, in 'take' shots a lot of the time for actors they don't get a say, which is sensible from the perspective it's work, but also kinda disappointing.

I worked a little in PA stuff in my 20s - some of the stuff the actors, even the 'day player' types, would learn like at a pro level and then absolutely nail just to get told they were doing another shot for like a close-up of the hands and stuff - you could see how pissed/heartbroken some them were - one woman, I won't say who because she's now well known, had taken like a 3-month crash course and actually learned how to play the piano - and then on-set the director told her "Oh don't worry we'll just add that in post, we didn't even tune this old thing." :censored:
Yeah that must be frustrating When cuts like that get made. Interesting tidbit. Sam Peckinpah had Bruce Gellar write a script specifically for Ben because of his gun handling abilities, for his series The Westerner. It was called Hand on the Gun. You can find it on YouTube if you are interested.
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Too bad they didn’t say how many frames it took for him to draw instead of how many he won by. There is one way to tell if an actor is truly fast and in the top group of fast draw actors. If they show the actor making the complete draw with no edits and where you can see that it is really the actor making the draw, then they are the real deal. In so many scenes there are edits during the draw. Like Sammy Davis supposedly making the knife throw and fast draw in an episode of the rifleman. There were multiple edits in that scene. However people swear they saw Sammy throw the knife and then draw and fire.
Have Gun Will Travel is a good example. Richard Boone was not a very fast draw. It was always- bad guys reach for their guns, cut to Paladin drawing, cut back to bad guys stop reaching for their guns and give up.
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Have Gun Will Travel is a good example. Richard Boone was not a very fast draw. It was always- bad guys reach for their guns, cut to Paladin drawing, cut back to bad guys stop reaching for their guns and give up.
Yeah. I loved the way he would shove the gun forward to emphasize the draw, hehehe. I read once that when they had to shoot a fast draw scene the chances were 50/50 the gun would go flying across the set.
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Yeah. I loved the way he would shove the gun forward to emphasize the draw, hehehe. I read once that when they had to shoot a fast draw scene the chances were 50/50 the gun would go flying across the set.
Or slam the barrel against the back of the holster then tip the gun back in when reholstering.
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Agreed. For better and worse, in 'take' shots a lot of the time for actors they don't get a say, which is sensible from the perspective it's work, but also kinda disappointing.

I worked a little in PA stuff in my 20s - some of the stuff the actors, even the 'day player' types, would learn like at a pro level and then absolutely nail just to get told they were doing another shot for like a close-up of the hands and stuff - you could see how pissed/heartbroken some them were - one woman, I won't say who because she's now well known, had taken like a 3-month crash course and actually learned how to play the piano - and then on-set the director told her "Oh don't worry we'll just add that in post, we didn't even tune this old thing." :censored:
When I ordered an Ojala gun rig in 1985 I talked with Arvo Ojala a couple times over the phone and he said it’s his hand in the closeup fast draw and gun spinning in a new movie called”Three Amigos”. He said he’s doing the closeup fast draw and gun spinning in it. He also said he was supposed to do closeups for Kevin Costner in “Silverado” in New Mexico but got in a car accident so Costner had to do it himself. And Costner, who he coached, was great at it.
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