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Recently, I came across a Colt I'd never seen before. Evidently, in the years I got out of the gun hobby, these came and went and now can be had, second-hand, for less than the nice Colt 2X revolvers. Info, please? They LOOK good, don't they?
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These autos are best avoided unless you're primarily a collector. They were 9X19 DA autos having a unique rotating barrel design, and a very unusual trigger design. Capacity was 15 rounds. There are many versions-variations (9?) Most, but not all, were made with polymer frames. This was a large part of the cause of one of Colt's near business failures.

Perhaps the most serious of the many problems with this model was that it is subject to accidental discharge if the rear of the slide was subjected to a (rather modest) blow. Never carry one of these pistols with a round chambered. This problem was never fully resolved in the many factory fixes.

Other problems were poor accuracy, broken springs, iffy ejection, feed problems, sight problems, and subjectively, a trigger that felt quite like that of a squirt gun.

Many of the problems can be overcome with a lot of handwork to the pistol and a lot of range time, but I can't recommend this pistol as a "shooter."

Bob

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Why, bfoster, stop beating around the bush ... whaddya' REALLY think of these? Ha! I get the picture. Guess I don't wanna' trade my .357!? <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bfoster:
These autos are best avoided unless you're primarily a collector. They were 9X19 DA autos having a unique rotating barrel design, and a very unusual trigger design. Capacity was 15 rounds. There are many versions-variations (9?) Most, but not all, were made with polymer frames. This was a large part of the cause of one of Colt's near business failures.

Perhaps the most serious of the many problems with this model was that it is subject to accidental discharge if the rear of the slide was subjected to a (rather modest) blow. Never carry one of these pistols with a round chambered. This problem was never fully resolved in the many factory fixes.

Other problems were poor accuracy, broken springs, iffy ejection, feed problems, sight problems, and subjectively, a trigger that felt quite like that of a squirt gun.

Many of the problems can be overcome with a lot of handwork to the pistol and a lot of range time, but I can't recommend this pistol as a "shooter."

Bob

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Why not find a nice Gov't model in 9X19 (or one of the conversion kits)? With a bit of work (OK, more than a little bit) these can approach the performance of a SIG P210.

Bob
The downside of this idea is that there is some tolerance to the rail area of the slide. As some of the conversion kits are rather rare and expensive, you might not want to go through the fitting of these packages to one frame. In practice, it's cheaper to pick up a pistol in 45 ACP with a fundamentally sound frame and a bunch of other "problems" and fit the frame to the slide assembly. The conversion kits also contain an ejector, a barrel assembly, and IIRC, a spring (where needed).

Bob
Hey, Bob, now there's a thought hasn't crossed my mind for a long time - is it possible to start with, say, a Gov't .45 and add a .22 conversion, and then a 9mm and then a 38 super, all to fit the same frame? If this IS possible, do people do it? Sounds like a neat, "package," to me. One pistol, 3 or 4 slides and magazines; same grip, same trigger ... targets and small game and self defense, all in a shoe box! ??? <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bfoster:
Why not find a nice Gov't model in 9X19 (or one of the conversion kits)? With a bit of work (OK, more than a little bit) these can approach the performance of a SIG P210.

Bob
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bfoster you are right about the "squirt gun trigger" on these models. I remember thinking about buying one of these in the early 90s until I shot my friend's ...

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