[meezer]

Three Gun Companies Leave NY Following Gun Law | Washington Free Beacon

You folks in NY should start making plans to move. Aside from having the highest taxes of any state in the country, your socialist leader, gov. and mayor are doing their best to remove any notion of freedom.

Does anyone recognize this country any more???

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/05/New-Jersey-Shooter-Circumvented-Gun-Laws-Background-Check-By-Stealing-His-Rifle

[URL]http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/14/Man-Imprisoned-For-Legally-Purchased-Guns-Laments-A-Life-Destroyed[/URL]

 

[Major Dad]

Wow, meezer. Looking out at NY and CA firearms laws from a bastion of freedom like FL, I can't really tell much difference other than NY has/had more gun companies than CA. I truly appreciate Florida's pro-2A environment and wish every American citizen could enjoy at least what we have or even more, such as AK, AZ, VT and WY. I am also thankful that there are still freedom fighters in NY and CA like you who are willing to carry the good fight forward.

 

[MARKO65]

I moved from NJ to NC nine years ago.....the gun laws there are crazy, doesn't make sense to even own one there anymore. And the taxes were crazy you have no idea.... we use to sing on the way to work " I OWE I OWE IT'S OFF TO WORK I GO"

Marko

 

[Cruiser RN]

I am right in the Belly of the Beast in Yonkers New York. It is against the Safe Act for police to pull you over and count the # of cartridges unless they have probable cause.I have just said "Screw IT." When I carry it is a revolver with 1 tactical reload so this way if I am pulled over and notify the officer that I am legally armed they will find a revolver with 5 or 6 rounds.The Safe Act is being challenged on the state and federal levels.As for delay in Ammo background checks the powers that be discovered that the feds will not do NICS Checks and there is nothing @ the state level to do this.....Welcome to NY.

 

[Oyeboten]

In most of the 19th Century, Crowds with 'Torches' would have gathered in early evening, stormed the Buildings in which the personages responsible for these travesties were lodged...and, removed them bodily, to then Tar & Feather them, and ride them out of Town "On a Rail".

That is, if they had the self restraint not to Lynch them perfunctorily.

I miss "The American Spirit" with an ache...

 

[TimH]

Wow, meezer. Looking out at NY and CA firearms laws from a bastion of freedom like FL, I can't really tell much difference other than NY has/had more gun companies than CA. I truly appreciate Florida's pro-2A environment and wish every American citizen could enjoy at least what we have or even more, such as AK, AZ, VT and WY. I am also thankful that there are still freedom fighters in NY and CA like you who are willing to carry the good fight forward.

I don't know, Ed, but terms like "a bastion of freedom like FL" and "Florida's pro-2A environment" seem to me to be some grandiose hyperbole. Florida is probably more gun-friendly than most states right now, but it has taken us years and years of hard work to get where we are. I moved here 40 years ago and it was NOT a pro-2A environment.

Also, please note that we are under constant attack by the left-wing gun-grabbers. Right now there is a huge fight brewing in Leon County (Tallahassee) over County Commissioners wanting to require private gun owners who sell guns in places such as gun shows to run customers through the same background check and waiting period as licensed dealers.

That means that folks who want to sell guns -- perhaps a personal firearm no longer needed or a collection inherited from a relative -- can't go to a gun show to find a buyer. Why? - because this ordinance would require YOU to do a background check before you sell your gun -- AND GUESS WHAT?

Private citizens can't access the NICS background check database.
That's right! Private citizens can't do background checks on gun buyers.
Get the picture? Catch 22 !

 

[Chicago]

I dont even know where to begin.......

 

[Major Dad]

I don't know, Ed, but terms like "a bastion of freedom like FL" and "Florida's pro-2A environment" seem to me to be some grandiose hyperbole. Florida is probably more gun-friendly than most states right now, but it has taken us years and years of hard work to get where we are. I moved here 40 years ago and it was NOT a pro-2A environment.

So noted, Chief Tim. Not sure I agree with "grandiose hyperbole", though. Because of FL's groundbreaking work back in the 80s we've seen a huge nationwide grassroots movement to restore citizens' rights to arms. FL is still the envy of many countless gunowners across America, and I suspect you were a driving force that got us to where we are today. We have it really good here. In my previous life I lived in OH. Concealed Carry was non-existent until 2004. The mindset in the state government was that OH would go the way of CA, IL, NJ or NY before it would follow FL's lead. It was like throwing off the shackles of slavery to see Concealed Carry become a reality there, albeit in a very rudimentary form compared to FL. Key to that was not only a grassroots commitment to freedom, but ensuring that pro-2A candidates were elected to and retained in office. OH has and continues to make progress to restore a very infringed right. One key bill under consideration there would amend the law to include a "stand your ground" provision such as we enjoy here in FL. Ominously, OH law still places the burden of proof of innocence (affirmative defense) on the individual who uses deadly force to defend him/herself. Such is not the case in FL, as I'm sure you know.

Also, please note that we are under constant attack by the left-wing gun-grabbers. Right now there is a huge fight brewing in Leon County (Tallahassee) over County Commissioners wanting to require private gun owners who sell guns in places such as gun shows to run customers through the same background check and waiting period as licensed dealers.

Left-wing gun-grabbers? Again, so noted, Chief. They are everywhere, even in FL. They thought they ruled the day in CO until this past September when a couple of their ilk were removed from office by grassroots patriots. I'm sure that got their attention there. Lefties in Congress will hopefully take note also, since 2A issues in the 2014 elections will be further compounded by the Obamacare debacle (though that's an item for a different forum). As regards the Leon County Commissioners, I don't see how they'll be able to invent a law that circumvents FL's preemption law. Please explain the Commissioners' thought process there. I'm sure you've reminded them that no matter what year it is, Election Day is always just around the corner. All that said, I think we both agree that constant vigilance is the watchword.

Where else in the USA would you rather live? Something besides the weather kept you here after your Naval service, I'm guessing. Me, I've returned to my native Florida to die (hopefully not soon) and enjoy our 2A freedoms in the meantime. In closing, I extend a heartfelt thanks to you for your military service to this great nation.

 

[Major Dad]

I dont even know where to begin.......

Hang tuff, Chi...... You're on the cutting edge of more great things to come in IL. I knew that sense of hopelessness and despair once upon a time. IL has surprised most of America with Concealed Carry. Your hard work has paid off. Now keep the anti-gunners out of office or throw them in prison. Know what I mean?

 

[damienph]

Kansas is a pro-gun rights state for the most part. There are pockets of anti-gunners in KC, Lawrence and Wichita but I suspect every state has some of that. Once our anti-gun governor Kathleen Sebelius left to help Obama destroy health care as we know it, we finally got access to class III, SBR, AOW, and suppressors. She vetoed all legislation that favored any of that.

 

[Chicago]

Thanks. We keep plodding ahead and putting out fires until the day comes. Seems our elected officials have a habit of finding their own way to prison.

Hang tuff, Chi...... You're on the cutting edge of more great things to come in IL. I knew that sense of hopelessness and despair once upon a time. IL has surprised most of America with Concealed Carry. Your hard work has paid off. Now keep the anti-gunners out of office or throw them in prison. Know what I mean?

 

[Cruiser RN]

You guys are missing the next company to high tail it out of NY which is Kimber Arms in Yonkers New York.It hasn't happened yet but with external pressure being felt they keep to themselves.I personally can't blame any of them.My only thought as to the "Why they stay?" question is that it costs a boatload of cash to retool and train new workers.Maybe one day I will buy a Kimber if for no other reason then having a gun with the slide saying Yonkers New York.

 

[meezer]

You guys are missing the next company to high tail it out of NY which is Kimber Arms in Yonkers New York.It hasn't happened yet but with external pressure being felt they keep to themselves.I personally can't blame any of them.My only thought as to the "Why they stay?" question is that it costs a boatload of cash to retool and train new workers.Maybe one day I will buy a Kimber if for no other reason then having a gun with the slide saying Yonkers New York.

I have a Kimber Tac Entry 2; great pistol and, yes, I always wondered about "Yonkers"!

 

[Cruiser RN]

Meezer now you know

 

[Dr.Tramp]

I believe I'll just stay put here in Wyoming. It's nicely isolated from both coasts.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp............

 

[JohnnyP]

Things have changed everywhere in the last 8 years.

 

[Some guy]

I can't but think ,they got voted in .

 

[thecoltguy]

I moved and retired to Tennessee 9 years ago and have been thankful every day. Our Governor just passed a carry bill that said if you were 21 or over you had the right to carry, period. It's a very gun-friendly State and I find it easy to live here. I could not last long in N.Y. , Calif or N.J. or any other State with the laws that they have. Tennessee does have an antiquated law about sword canes but other than that it's great. Besides, who would carry a sword cane when they can carry their .45 auto.

Cam.