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Another Unnumbered Remington-UMC (Complete Opposite of the NICE ONE!)

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Here's another one,---definitely not one of the 22. (Guard your eyes!;))

A Very FUGLY, most likely, late Lunch-Box UMC. (So bad didn't want it near that NICE ONE!) Looks like it's made up of mostly Functional Reject Parts (did not completely inspect it).

For those that presume that the 22 Pistols described in Meadows would be pistols with late features like this one, his last paragraph on these (page 212): "most of the unnumbered, uninspected pistols observed have had characteristics of early rather than late production pistols which would not be the case if they had all been assembled post-production."

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Now that will be my everyday carry. Good find
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Some don't like high condition military weapons because they were "never used in battle", but the above pistol is a good example of one that never even made it to the military but has that desirable battle used look. Even though it has that desirable look there is the possibility that it hid in someone's lunch pail preventing it reaching a soldier that needed it.

Every one has it's own story, so just accept it for what it is and not what it might have done.
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To hell with the story, that’s a nice pick-up!
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Eagle head stamp

Does it have the same eagle head stamp on the slide above the FPS?
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I wouldn't turn it down. It may never have reached its intended user (Doughboy No.?) but someone carried it a lot. Just look at the battered bottoms of the the grips. I'm sure it would have interesting stories to tell. In fact some "Lunchbox Guns" might have had illustrious careers. It would be the ideal untraceable gun for that needy bootlegger or Chicago mob hit man back in 1920's and 30's. Lunchtime guns would make an interesting sideline to any regular Colt collection.
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I wouldn't turn it down. It may never have reached its intended user (Doughboy No.?) but someone carried it a lot. Just look at the battered bottoms of the the grips. I'm sure it would have interesting stories to tell. In fact some "Lunchbox Guns" might have had illustrious careers. It would be the ideal untraceable gun for that needy bootlegger or Chicago mob hit man back in 1920's and 30's. Lunchtime guns would make an interesting sideline to any regular Colt collection.
That's just it. It's all make believe so a nice gun can have just as good a story as a mistreated gun.
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Does it have the same eagle head stamp on the slide above the FPS?
nebseyer,

Yes,---IIRC it does.

Don't have a direct shot of it,---but there's something there.

(Look at the damage to the back (top) of the slide,---how did it get the roll stamps if that mistake was made during the rough machining?)

Best Regards,

P.S. Might be able to get more pictures of it. If so, will take a better shot of the back of the slide.

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Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder...

...and I think it's a beauty.
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JohnnyP: The gun has had some ill treatment, but how much is that and how much is just really hard use in bad weather and rough conditions. Sort of like so many old Peacemakers that were used hard and show their scars and bruises. Just like a lot of hard used cop guns.
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Hard to tell hard use from hard abuse, but either way assigning a glorious past to a worn finish adds nothing to the pistol. It is what it is.

I have a very worn late Model 1911 that according to the family came back from Nicaragua with a U.S. Marine in the 1920's. Maybe it did and maybe it didn't, but it has the idiot mark where someone tried to remove the slide stop by prying it from the left and beating it from the right. The wear might have happened at any time, but I know the abuse didn't happen when used by a Marine. I bought it because I wanted a 1911 near the end of Model 1911 production.

Production, not protection. Sometimes spell check puts what it wants in.
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Note the prominent white wear ring on the top rear of the Lunch-Box Rem-UMC barrel. Is this due to unique machining of the Rem-UMC slides? Is it different than other manufactures? Sometimes it is noted on COLT M1911 barrels, but not as prevalent.?

All the Rem-UMC barrels in the neighborhood display the ring.

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I know exactly what JohnnyP means. Didn't mean to attach any "glorious past" to old and worn guns. If we don't know their histories we can't assign any definite past to any of them. Just sort of "cud 'uv". I simply like an old gun that shows that maybe someone used the thing that really needed it at a critical time to him, and maybe a critical time to a whole lot of other people too. I have a 1911 Colt that was made in 1914. It shows no abuse at all, just lots of holster wear, about 50% original blue, and quite a lot of grip edge battering. I know where it was sent when new but any history after that is a mystery. So we know it was used heavily, probably went to France in '17, or '18 and after that, who knows. It's a good, honest, US service gun that obviously "did its bit". To me it has more personal value than an early 1911 sent to some gov't arsenal and never going any where after that until ending its its days of "service", still wrapped inits brown paper shroud, deposited in a collector's safe cum gun mausoleum only to be taken out and prayed over with great awe on rare and sacred occasions.
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What the heck, it has character and I like it!
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Okay, I am a bit confused here. There were several posts/topics in the past dealing with "lunch pail" pistols, ones that escaped the manufacturer without a serial number. I recall several of the posts were quite heated, if you will, saying that there was/is no such animal. I have seen one in my life, a 1911 Springfield Armory pistol with no serial number. Now with this post, not only are two different ones pictured, but there are at least 20 others that were made. Don't want to start something, just thought I would throw this out there.
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In my opinion it's a beautiful pistol, it has character and I can't understand how could not be liked.
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Nothing was said about not liking it. I just don't see that anything about it's condition that equates to character. We know that it did not serve in the military, but do know that it wasn't properly maintained by someone that did not respected what it was. If they want to throw something under the truck seat get one that has already been abused.

It wouldn't be so evident except that we have the rare opportunity to view two of these pistols. One has been well cared for and hardly gets a yawn while the one with the rust, wear, and abuse is made into a shrine.
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No luck yet with additional pictures. IIRC, many parts on this had errors/mistakes in manufacturing,---look at the hammer, the rear sight, and the back of the slide (reject parts that made it into a pistol). Before pictures, the curator, field striped the pistol, used a straight edge to demonstrate both sides of the receiver were flat, and then demonstrated (with a digital micrometer) that the width of the receiver was greater than minimum specifications (and the sides were parallel). And, the same with the slide. Only speculation and imagination on how these (both pistols ?) occurred. (Again, did not completely examine all of this pistol.)

It is the opposite of the Nice One,---the Nice One looks like it (and possibly the others [22] noted) could have been similar to the early Replacement Pistols (or early production test/sample pistols).? And the other,---just a collection of reject parts.? At this point, it is just speculation on how it looked (how nice ?) when it was assembled around 100 years ago.? And, now they "is what it is"!


P.S. It was suggested (concerning the slide damage) that the entire length of the top of the slide looked like the part behind the rear sight, when the slide was roll stamped.? Then the final preparation was done to the sides ( to flatten the raised metal due to the roll stamping).? Then the top of the slide was prepped exposing the low part behind the sight.?

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