AR's taking the blame???

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andy3921

Discussion Starter · Feb 24, 2018

If you look at the last 60 years or so and look at two rifles, the M1 Carbine and the AR 15, both were first designed for the military, both could be described as assault rifles, both semi auto rifles, both had high capacity magazine's, both became available to the civilian market in the millions (you could buy a Carbine for less than $50 dollars back then) both used for everything from home protection, hunting, to competition shooting. Yet in the 40's - 70's I can not remember an M 1 Carbine used in a mass shooting. There were few if any mass shootings and far fewer gun laws. I am sure there were a lot of vets returning with major cases of PTSD, from WW II, Korea a and Viet Nam. Were fewer mentally ill in the 40's -70's? So what is so different in todays society? I would like to have this addressed by those who believe the AR's are the cause.

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SnidelyWhiplash

· #2 · Feb 24, 2018 (Edited)

Today compared to past times? AR's are not the cause...they're an excuse to get a political agenda through.

Genuine causes?

Drugs.
Video games that numb young people to violence.
Movies and television that numb young people to violence.
Lack of parenting.
Lack of parents.
Breakdown of the family.
Lack of moral authority and moral teachings.
The "anything goes" attitude.
The idea that personal responsibility is outmoded and society is collectively responsible.
Ignorance and lack of truth-telling about firearms in general.
Lowering of standards of education.
Lack of teaching critical thinking.
Politics rather than problem-solving.

And too much else to explain it.

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SnidelyWhiplash

· #3 · Feb 24, 2018

A modern way of putting it...it's not a hardware problem (guns)...it's a software problem (human behavior). It's easier to pass laws against an inanimate object than to do something that recognizes behavior is the issue. It comes from the attitude that no one is responsible for their actions.

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sixguns

· #4 · Feb 24, 2018

An excellent question. Excellent answer, Snidely. Very close.

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kenhwind

· #5 · Feb 24, 2018

In another country a long time ago when I was in high school there wasn't even a fence around it. The pool and athletic fields were fenced off, the pool for obvious reasons, but the athletic fields had a regular chain link fence between the school and the adjacent property. When I was in Jr. high we would walk through the high school on the way home. There were no school shootings.
Firearms have been around for about 500 years, school shootings about 20, yet somehow its the guns fault.

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Space

· #6 · Feb 24, 2018

I have never seen a gun get up off the table and shoot someone. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

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1stgarand

· #7 · Feb 24, 2018

Many of todays "kids" don't respect anything. No discipline, no rules. Bring back reform schools, insane asylums, school prayer should be mandatory, don't like it-homeschool, stand for the pledge or go home., respect teachers/school authority or go home, more school homework, in other words, the way it was when I was in school. Worked then, can't hurt now. The schools are out of control, as in "the inmates are running the asylum". Most, not all, of the "protesters" probably just want an excuse not to go to school. Disarm the ACLU, not me! (Sorry if this post is not allowed)

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apollo99

· #8 · Feb 24, 2018

Yea, I think SnidelyWhiplash just about covered it.

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1stgarand

· #9 · Feb 24, 2018

apollo99 said:
Yea, I think SnidelyWhiplash just about covered it.

Yes, I guess he did.:bang_wall:

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Wyatt Burp

· #10 · Feb 24, 2018

Except for Charles Whitman in 1966, how many mass murder shootings were there BEFORE the 1968 gun control act? Not many as I recall, and you could get surplus semi auto military rifles mailed right to your house then. I think people spend so much time on social media posting every aspect of their lives dying for attention, purposely avoiding real human contact by communicating via texts/Facebook/Twitter. They then become isolated and resentful that they aren't getting the attention they feel they deserve. Their lives are void of any faith and the lines between right and wrong are constantly intentionally blurred by schools, neglectful parents, media, and especially politicians. Add prescription drugs that kids now gobble up like M&Ms. Then they see every other shooter's face all over the news afterwards and their names in the headlines so off they go. And they know later that their guilt will be ignored by political opportunists as they wage attacks on gun rights as they exploit their crimes blaming the NRA.

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SnidelyWhiplash

· #11 · Feb 24, 2018

Politicians...well...anti-gun politicians...hate the NRA because it's effective and represents millions of gun owners. It's easy to blame an organization and demonize than do anything constructive. Defeat the NRA and they think they can have their way banning classes of guns first and eventually all of them. It's much like the "war on poverty"...blame the other side while never accomplishing anything of substance beyond giving away free stuff...essentially bribing people to sit on their butts and vote to receive whatever they need at everyone else's expense. It's the same old story just with a different subject line.

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feralmerril

· #12 · Feb 24, 2018

The "Insanity plea" is always used when the jig is up. I think plain old, "I was unGodly" would be accurate.

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1BadColt

· #13 · Feb 24, 2018

Would love to see the list of mind altering drugs he was on too...

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USSOKC

· #14 · Feb 24, 2018

remove God out of nearly every part of society and this is what we get.

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1BadColt

· #15 · Feb 24, 2018

Wait, did u say God? I'm offended. Please take " In God We Trust" off our money too, very offensive.

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ussmanlovede36

· #16 · Feb 24, 2018

SnidelyWhiplash said:
A modern way of putting it...it's not a hardware problem (guns)...it's a software problem (human behavior). It's easier to pass laws against an inanimate object than to do something that recognizes behavior is the issue. It comes from the attitude that no one is responsible for their actions.

I think you pretty much nailed it with your posts. Everybody ( young people anyway) wants to be a star on social media. Cruz posted before he went to the school to kill.

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ussmanlovede36

· #17 · Feb 24, 2018

Wyatt Burp said:
Except for Charles Whitman in 1966, how many mass murder shootings were there BEFORE the 1968 gun control act? Not many as I recall, and you could get surplus semi auto military rifles mailed right to your house then. I think people spend so much time on social media posting every aspect of their lives dying for attention, purposely avoiding real human contact by communicating via texts/Facebook/Twitter. They then become isolated and resentful that they aren't getting the attention they feel they deserve. Their lives are void of any faith and the lines between right and wrong are constantly intentionally blurred by schools, neglectful parents, media, and especially politicians. Add prescription drugs that kids now gobble up like M&Ms. Then they see every other shooter's face all over the news afterwards and their names in the headlines so off they go. And they know later that their guilt will be ignored by political opportunists as they wage attacks on gun rights as they exploit their crimes blaming the NRA.

Society was very different when we grew up. Then Al Gore's internet came along and society went to hell.

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sixguns

· #18 · Feb 24, 2018

USSOKC said:
remove God out of nearly every part of society and this is what we get.

Thank you, sir.

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dfariswheel

· #19 · Feb 24, 2018

Texas mass shooter Charles Whitman did have an M1 Carbine.

It wasn't always the AR-15 that was "The Bad Gun".
Back in the 80's it was the AK-47. You almost never heard of the AR.

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Loganwhite193

· #20 · Feb 24, 2018

SnidelyWhiplash said:
A modern way of putting it...it's not a hardware problem (guns)...it's a software problem (human behavior). It's easier to pass laws against an inanimate object than to do something that recognizes behavior is the issue. It comes from the attitude that no one is responsible for their actions.

Completely right there.
Firearms are only as dangerous as the people behind them.
Your reasons as to the causes of this mental issue is spot on as well.

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