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A warning to all. Avoid buying from Gunbroker user named "Soupbones" or his dealer xxxx , both of whom are in Ft. Bragg, California. I purchased an 1877 which was made in 1882 and so classed as an antique. He would only let his dealer, xxxx , ship it to me only after I provided my FFL license. I explained to both of them an FFL was not necessary because it is an antique but they refused to ship without it. So OK, I sent them my FFL license. In the Gunbroker listing the seller offered 2 or 3 day shipping at checkout. I opted for 3 day shipping. I am then told that his dealer will only ship it 2 day priority via FedEx at a cost of $62.00? So the seller lied about shipping options but cannot explain why. I called the dealer to find out why he would not ship via the Post Office since we are Both FFL dealers and he can legally ship to me that way for about $20. He refused, said the California DOJ told him that he can't ship via the Post Office. I explained to him that I called Calofornia DOJ and they told me there are no restrictions from FFL dealer to FFL dealer. He then got nasty on the phone, told me "Maybe you should not buy the gun" and then hung up on me.

I then questioned the seller as to why he put a false shipping option in the auction and why his dealer is overcharging me for shipping. I sent the seller and the dealer the web pages from ATF, Post Office and Gunbroker which all state that a handgun can be shipped via the U.S. Mail between FFL dealers but they still both refused to do so. The seller also became nasty and told me in an e-mail to leave him the "F___" alone. Totally uncalled for abuse by the seller and dealer and I will be filing a complaint with Gunbroker. It's not so much the overcharge of $42 for shipping that bothers me as much as the fact that they both are ignorant belligerent individuals who will not listen to facts and then get abusive when they can't back up their position. AVOID THESE TWO AT ALL COSTS! THEY WILL RIP YOU OFF ON SHIPPING AND GET NASTY WHEN YOU ASK WHY THEY ARE DOING SO!
 

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Sorry for your bad experience. I left Gunbroker over two years ago and now use Gunsinternational as my online source. Unless you know the dealer or seller that you are dealing with you need to be careful. I got scammed several years ago on Gunbroker and they would not help. In fact you can't even call Gunbroker and talk to someone to get help. Good luck on going forward.
 

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I'm sorry you had a bad experience with a California-based FFL.

I work part time at a California FFL and we ship firearms from the Post Office on a regular basis. It is perfectly legal.

In their defense, we do have a lot of overbearing jackboot thug DOJ agents that think they can make up laws as they go. His representative could very well have told him that. Unfortunately in California we have to err on the side of caution because of the constant 2A battle we are fighting with the state.

* Side note - It always frustrates me when sellers won't ship (legal firearms) to California. They think they are making a stand, when what they are really doing is letting California win...
 

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Seems like a lot of dealers from all over the country are running scared of the ATF and are booking every thing whether 1898 or before or not. I've had to go through my local ffl dealer on several true antique colts during the past 5 years.
 

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Gunbroker was invented by PT Barnum.

You can't blame anyone who deals in guns for being over cautious when selling or shipping a firearm.
If you don't agree to the seller's conditions, then maybe you shouldn't buy the gun.
 

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You can't blame anyone who deals in guns for being over cautious when selling or shipping a firearm.
If you don't agree to the seller's conditions, then maybe you shouldn't buy the gun.
As long as the seller states all their policies and conditions up front in the ad , totally agree .
 

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Problem is seller offered 2 or 3 day shipping in his ad. I selected 3 day. He then says his dealer will only ship 2 day which is more expensive. So I had no knowledge before buying that 2 day would be my only choice. Also, once you commit to buy you cannot retract the offer.

Being over cautious is fine, but being ignorant, belligerent and using foul language in an e-mail is not. Especially after all ATF and Post Office web pages outlining the rules about shipping handguns between FFL dealers were sent to them. For an FFL dealer to treat another FFL dealer this way is wrong and all should know about it. Too bad Colt Forum felt the need to edit out the offending dealers name. Now others who may deal with him will get burned as well!
 

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I understand your frustration but I think saying they were trying to rip you off is not true. If he was trying to rip you off, it’d be done, have your money-no gun. He been like heck I’ll personally drive it to you if needed, or I’ll throw in this old 1876 SAA grandpa gave me for your troubles. I think you were correct in the ignorant part. You need to understand his side, seems to me he is having terror instilled in him by tyrannical people. If I was him, I’d cover my butt everyday possible too in these circumstances. However if my ad reflected as you stated, I would have just ate the $42 myself and avoided all this headache. I understand your wanting to vent and sorry for your frustration Brother. By the way $42 in CA=half tank of gas (if not a large vehicle).
 
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I agree completely with Big Gus. A decent business would have just eaten the $42.

In my above post, I was defending the FFL's decision to ship 2 day, not the way the FFL handled it.

I agree with the OP that the way it was handled was pretty low and the shop should make it good for you. The owner of the shop where I work would have apologized and sucked up the additional cost...and then he would have chewed me out (I'm in charge of our online sales haha).
 

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... Too bad Colt Forum felt the need to edit out the offending dealers name. Now others who may deal with him will get burned as well!
The Colt Forum is neutral in these situations .

Regardless , if we were attempting to silence your message , it would've been removed entirely . The GB seller username was not removed also any member interested can pm you for further details .
 

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I see now the original post by OP said rip you off ON SHIPPING. I missed the on shipping part, so my original post is partially wrong, maybe most of it-I now believe the CA DOJ was under the assumption the seller (non-FFL) was shipping the firearm. Another assumption which may be wrong on my part. This could or could not be legal as I’m not sure how either classifies it as a firearm or not. I believe the DOJ does, but not 100% sure. And on my original statement, I said if my Ad, I’d eat the costs, meaning if I was the seller. I believe the gun shop should not, unless they are the seller. Still looks like a deal but I don’t know much about these, I do know I believe my buddy whom collects these would be very happy with this price. Hope everything works out for both of you.
 

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The gun culture really opened up on the net and items you never see in your area are listed for sale in other states. While the market grew it still allowed bad things to happen so buyer beware are words to live buy.
 

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The gun culture really opened up on the net and items you never see in your area are listed for sale in other states. While the market grew it still allowed bad things to happen so buyer beware are words to live buy.
Seller beware also. I have had more crap happen to me as a seller than as a buyer. But, I try hard to read the whole auction, or advertisement, and follow instructions when buying.
 

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Seller beware also. I have had more crap happen to me as a seller than as a buyer. But, I try hard to read the whole auction, or advertisement, and follow instructions when buying.
There is a rating system at GB that gives you all the positive and negative reviews on a seller. I don't sell on GB so I have no idea what to look at on buyers. Honestly I search GB for prices so I have a rough idea what the value of a gun is. While I have bought guns that were listed on GB, they were in my state and I drove there to make a deal. Otherwise I have my FFL hunt for a good deal on GB and he handles the ugly side of deals.

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Sal, it sounds like the FFL is only involved as the shipper. They can make rules for their business that is, in their opinion, in the best interests of their business. The seller for the estate may not have known the rules and simply clicked on the 2-3 day option. I noticed the seller has virtually no experience selling on GB. If you can't live without the 1877 (I could), it seems a good compromise would be to split the shipping with the seller though the animosity may have passed that option.
 
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