I agree with your assessment. The seller is within driving distance to me, so I wouldn't even consider purchasing site unseen. Thanks for the reply.Doc, Never, Ever, Ever buy anything from a seller on Gunbroker that is sold "as is". If he truly had two rare guns with rare grips, why would he not allow at least a three day inspection? As is on a purchase as large as this should be your sign to back away from it. Caveat emptor my friend. If you buy it and there is an issue with the guns, you are stuck with them.
The finish is just so hard to fully evaluate without seeing in person. I agree it seems dark, certainly compared to the my Bankers. The markings are sharp though, so wouldn't that make a re-finish less likely? Possibly a factory refinish. I still think the grips are suspect as well. When pearl was special ordered, would Colt have labeled the inner portion with the serial number, like so many other examples?I am not confident that these have an original 'period' Colt finish.
Or, some of me suspects that these were low mileage, crisp examples, which have been expertly re-Finished, sometime recently.
I am seeing sanding or grinding marks, rather than the usual for the day degree of Polish...and, the finish to my Eye appears a lot more 'Black' then I would expect from COLT DAs of that time period.
Good eyes for you and Elliot, Mike.No opinion either way on the refinish. That said, no mention or picture of letters confirming the pearls are original to the guns, if I was asking $7500 for a pair of Bankers I would spend $140 for the pair letters. Also in the pictures of the 22, does the ejector star appear to have a green cast to the bluing or is it just me. As to the white gloves maybe the holder is a just a big fan of "The Butler".
What I said earlier about the cotton gloves,, was purley meant to be a joke. I was just trying to say how handling a gun with white cotton gloves means absolutely nothing zero! It kills me when people put on the white gloves in front of the camera to handle a old used gun like its the "Hope Diamond". People want to create the illusion they have something in their hands that warrants special care,,, I call BS using the white gloves. I say if you have something that good,, throw away the white gloves take some decent pictures and offer three day inspection. Get you tale in gun business and walk the walk.I do not believe either one of these Bankers have been refinished. There are a lot of variances in color and shading in different individual's photographs. These are pretty decent pictures. They would have been preferable if they were taken outdoors, but they are decent. I think the finish on these guns would look quite different if the pictures were taken outside in diffused natural light. Then, throw in shutter speed and light settings - some folks understand and use them and some folks, like me, don't understand how to use them
Every single stamping on these two revolvers is crisp and show no evidence of a refinish, to me. There's even a tiny spot of rust at the base of the front sight pedestal on one of them, or perhaps grease. The hammer sides show very, very slight discoloration or spotting which is commensurate with ageing of that brushed steel, but they are very compatible with the finish of the guns.
I can't really comment whether the pearl stocks are factory non medallion or after market but you have to agree they were absolutely expertly fitted to these two guns.
In many collectable firearms posts on many websites, a gun is presented and so often somebody says "it's refinished", whether it has been or not. It's almost a sure bet somebody will say it. I have done so myself on occasion, and been wrong too. There are guns that are obviously refinished, but there are some that are so borderline one really couldn't tell without an in person examination.
John, to play devil's advocate for a moment - the seller using cotton gloves is not proof that the guns are genuine. They only prove the owner thinks the guns are genuine and has respect for collectable high condition firearms. He may be mediocre at evaluating refinished firearms, although I doubt this is the case.
I think we all can agree you don't pay 7K for a set of guns that are sold "as is". This alone would prevent me from buying the guns if I had the money, even if they came with factory letters. You can't tell if there are any mechanical issues from pictures, or the word of a seller who won't offer an inspection period for such expensive items.
I would say if the guns would letter with pearls, we would be all be looking at the letters.Good eyes for you and Elliot, Mike.
That greenish cast could easily be a thin coating of oil and the cylinder pictures shot as very slightly different angles. Even if the exterior surfaces of the guns were presented dry for the photos. I think it's safe to say that a collector's gun would have been oiled around the ejector shaft, or the hand, cylinder stop, the frame around the edges of where the crane rotates open and closed, etc. etc.
I must agree with you that if I had a potentially expensive set of Colts I wanted to sell I would definitely get the letters as part of the package.