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Bat Masterson Colt .45 SN# 112737

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I keep coming across the Pietta replica .45 SN#112737, as well as a Colt Commemorative .45 both being tied to a letter written by Bat Masterson to Colt requesting a custom .45 SAA Revolver in July of 1885. In the post script of the letter it says please duplicate above order by sending two. Colt has verified that one revolver was shipped to W. B. Masterson on July 30, 1885. Does anyone know if the original gun that these were modeled after is still in existence, and if Colt did in fact ship a second gun?
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I don't know where that gun is now and when they show a picture of it, it seems to be the same old b&W picture. In an early 60's book Fired In Anger there's a long article on how a gun collector bought a standard old nickel Colt .45 in 1962 then later sold it. But he kept the hard rubber grips. Later he took a closer look at them and saw the abbreviation "Bat Maston" scratched inside one grip. "Dodg CY" and various other initials linked to other famous guys were on the other. The grips were sold to the guy who didn't know he owned Bat Masterson's special ordered Colt. One of them, anyway. It was verified by Colt and I think the Kansas historical Society had the letter Masterson wrote requesting the two guns with modifications on a Dodge City Opera House letterhead. Somewhere out there is that other matching Colt. A couple years ago another Masterson Colt was on auction and it was identical but with a 5 1/2" barrel.
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Does anyone know which one is known to exist? One serial number has been released by Colt, the 112737 was confirmed to have been shipped to Masterson. If one of these is out there. Which one is it? I just found this on a site I had to translate from Italian.
The second of these three Colt SAA is of particular importance because it bought expressly for himself, he was ordained by a letter which is still present in the archive of the Connecticut State Library, the letter is dated July 24, 1885 and is written on company letterhead Opera House Saloon.
Dall'appunto written from the clerk of the Colt seems that your order has arrived in the company on July 28.
Masterson The letter pointed out that the weapon had to have a high quality finish, and here the "our" used the phrase that is written in many books that talk about Colt 1873 SAA: "I am willing to pay extra for the extra work" , "I'm willing to pay more for extra work" (such as historical phrase will not be much, but infact 'is .....) In the letter recommends that the weapon has a "trigger very light and sensitive, a viewfinder is not very high but thicker section than those normally built, gutta percha grips and barrel as long as the rod extraction ( then a 4-3/4 inch) " There is also a postscript unreadable but that seems to indicate a desire to order two instead of one revolver , the hypothesis is supported by the fact that on July 30 from Hartford were sent to Dodge City two Colt, and both with the requirements to Masterson in the order letter. These two weapons had their serial numbers 112737 and 112998 On November 17, 1887 in the registers Colt is another order from Masterson , always a Colt SAA the same requisites of the above. Finally On 5 July 1888 "Bat" order a revolver last forever in the usual configuration to him, 5-1/2 barrel, oversized viewfinder, shutter lightened, cheeks in gutta-percha, nickel plated. 's not not know where he was sent, in that period Masterson had his residence in Denver, Colorado. letter ordering the revolver purchased on July 5, 1888
How many documented "Bat Masterson" guns are still out there? Anyone know?



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I was given a calendar some years back by Kurt House at the CCA show. One of the guns featured was a Masterson SAA belonging to a prominent member of the CCA. From memory I think it was a nickel 5½".

Rio
The two weapons SN# 112737 and 112998 are the ones shipped to Masterson July,1885 after Colt received the "Opera House letter" requesting two identical nickel 4 3/4" .45's with gutta percha grips, modified sights, and easy on the trigger. The 112737 gun has been more talked about than the other, and actually duplicated down to the original SN# 112737 by Pietta in a non-firing replica model. As far as the other, 112998, Ive only recently been able to find out it actually existed. I'm trying to find out if either of these is on display anywhere, and trying to find out which one has been found and which one hasn't turned up yet? I've seen the Commemoratives made in 1967, and I've seen the replicas modeled after these guns. Seems all I can find is one old black and white picture of the original, and only one. What ever became of these weapons people?
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I read in one of my books that colt has one of the letters that bat sent to colt ordering a 43\4 in there archives, bat ordered 6 guns at 6 different times. one of the guns is in the Autry national center in L.A. who knows where the other 5 are at......we may have one of them and not know it.........Mike
I was given a calendar some years back by Kurt House at the CCA show. One of the guns featured was a Masterson SAA belonging to a prominent member of the CCA. From memory I think it was a nickel 5½".

Rio
3 different friends of mine have owned or currently own the one that was shipped to Bat when he was known to be in Denver in 1888. The factory letter calls for a blue finish but the gun is nearly mint original nickle with that big hunk of front sight. I was present when it passed from one collector in my home state of Arkansas who dug it out of the bushes of California to a friend collector in Oklahoma to another well heeled collector in the mid west and after some difficulties in his life it went to auction where it was sold to another collector who kept it a few years and then it went back to California to a friend collector who probably will have it buried with him. :)
I read in one of my books that colt has one of the letters that bat sent to colt ordering a 43\4 in there archives, bat ordered 6 guns at 6 different times. one of the guns is in the Autry national center in L.A. who knows where the other 5 are at......we may have one of them and not know it.........Mike
One of the 4-3/4" ones are in a collection in Texas and it's a well worn example with eagles that folks in my part of the world would buy and sell for around $2400....LOL........THAT is why I letter every single action I come to own!
any links to pics of said Masterson revolvers ? Very interesting guys!
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This is the only picture of the actual gun SN# 112737 that I've been able to find. Not sure if this is a picture from the Colt Archives, or if this is the known gun, or the one still unfound.
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any links to pics of said Masterson revolvers ? Very interesting guys!
Here is the nickel one I'm familiar with. Note the big front sight (as ordered). Click on image to enlarge.

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I just found this on a different forum.

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109xxx Serial number. This has also been reported to have been the weapon used/owned
by Lewis (louis) M. Kreeger, Sheriff of Trinidad, Colorado who took over
after Bat Masterson. It has the 4 3/4" barrel and the right grips. Possibly? I mean the only other serial number besides the 112737, that I've been able to find is off of a website I had to have translated from Italian. The 109xxx sn# indicates that they were both manufactured in 1884.
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There are probably a lot of Bat Masterson colts in private hands today w/signed letters by him that the gun had belonged to him,I read a story years ago about when he was a sports writer on a NY paper,he'd send his assistant to pawn shops & buy some cheap Colts & he kept one @ a time in his desk drawer so when people would want to meet the famous gunfighter he'd graciously meet them & they'd ask if he still had his gun & then he'd pull one out of his desk drawer & in the end the tourist went away w/a gun & a signed letter that it was owned by the famous gunfighter.
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I tried to delete the above 2nd posting but couldn't make it go away, as I've said before "I'm technically challeneged"
I agree with you that there are probably more than a handful of "Bat Masterson" SAA's , as I've read the same stories of him, in his later years, buying guns from pawn shops ect. and selling them as "authentic". The gun in question can be linked directly to Masterson by a letter he wrote to Colt, 1885, and a gun shipped July 30, 1885 to Masterson in Dodge City, KS. This information came from the Sprinfield Armory Museum. "...The firm (Colt) verified the fact that this revolver, serial no. 112737, was shipped to W.B. Masterson on July 30, 1885, one week after the order was placed. Bat had requested shipment 'as soon as possible,' and the company had immediately sent the guns, each with a 4 3/4" barrel and hard rubber grips." - Elman. I believe this is referencing a book "​The Great Guns" [Harold L. Peterson, Robert Elman, Adolph Suehsdorf]
Not sure where Elman got the pic from
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Still looking, but other than hearsay, I cant find anything ironclad proving either weapon is around today.
This doesn't give the serial number but I was searching old newspapers for any information, a article from the March 13, 1976 Racine Wisconsin Journal Times states a "nickel plated six shooter" was sold in Los Angeles. Stated that a letter written by Masterson on stationary from the Opera House Saloon, Dodge City to Colt in 1885. States the gun had come from a member of the Ford Motor Co., Walter B.M. Ford. The new owner wasn't identified.
R. L. Wilson's THE PEACEMAKERS pictures two Colt SAAs attributed to Masterson. Serial number 53684 is pictured on page 157, and sn 112737 on page 356.

There might be others mentioned in the text of the book, but I haven't read every page.

John Gross
Well I guess it's apparent that there is one of these guns still known. Still not completely sure which one though.
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