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I just became the most recent custodian of a Colt Bisley built in 1906. I am out of my comfort zone, since my love affair with Colt revolvers are the New Service/1917 family and my Python. I have only owned one other Colt SAA and I bought it years ago simply to turn it and never shot it. I have always had a weakness for the funky grip of the Bisley and I purchased this one with some reservations. It is a .45 LC with a 4 3/4" bbl. and the condition is fair, with no case colors remaining and the metal having a thin patina. The bore is fair with typical fine pitting in the grooves and fine pitting on the cylinder face, but the chambers are in very good condition. The cylinder rattles and will definitely need, at minimum, a new bushing to take some of the play out and the bolt lock-up is not as good as I would like. The grips are intact, although I have not disassembled the gun to inspect if they are marked to the gun. The gun came with a Colt letter, which matches the current configuration, but indicates an unspectacular shipment of two guns to a hardware store. The good news is that I can perform any required repairs myself to get the mechanical issues remedied. The bad news is that I may have paid a bit more than I should have, since the Bisley models are not commanding anywhere the same money that an SAA does. I paid $1400 for it and that was only due to an unfortunate situation for the seller. I know that they book at silly values, but the prices realized for examples that have sold lately, are drastically lower. If I had been in a position to pick my choice of Bisley model, I would have preferred a 32-20 or 38-40, but Oh-well. I guess I am looking for some input that will encourage me to not feel bad about paying that price. The bright side is that I have several guns in .45LC, so feeding it will not pose any heartache. I have been an avid shooter/gunsmith over the years, but somehow I have managed to never gain any experience with Colt's single action world, so it is with a humble heart, I ask for feedback from those with more knowledge than I. I did not buy it with the intention of making a buck off it, but every dollar I spend is hard earned and I never want to be upside down if I can avoid it. I will try to post some pictures to better grasp the gun and its condition. Thanks in advance for any input that can be provided.

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I wouldn't feel too bad about paying $1400 for it. 45's aren't nearly as common as .32-20's. Bisley prices aren't at SAA levels yet, but they're creeping up. Keep it and it'll be worth double soon enough.
 

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You say you only paid the $1400 due to sellers unfortunate situation, which means that you got a very nice prize for an act of charity and giving. Not a bad way to spend one's $$. Over the years I have donated quite a bit to sellers with less sense of charity afterwards. I would take the value the forum experts will give you on the Bisley and consider any difference to be a...Good on ya mate!

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Okay, I can breathe a little easier. Your comment Jim, is greatly appreciated, the seller is currently dealing with the loss of a spouse and family racing to grab everything before legal action can be taken. I had just spent a rough and fairly unprofitable weekend at a show, so it wiped out my earnings and I was having some buyers remorse. The satisfaction of helping out is what was a motivator. Luckily, I have very little affinity for pristine examples of anything and this one shows a long and fruitful life of use without abuse. I will be intrigued to get it out to the range and see if that bore can keep the slugs in an acceptable group. I have a 1917 that I bought, with a bore that would make your typical unpaved road look smooth, yet it is dead on at 25yds and keeps an amazingly small group that defies logic. I will hope this one can do likewise. Blackjack, I don't have the letter in front of me, but it was an outfit in MO., but not, Simmons Hardware. As for letters, that brought a smile to my face, someone once told me if you got a letter showing Simmons, you would be best to throw it away, so the next buyer could hope he won the lottery with a rare Colt. Conversely, I have a letter for an original Sharps rifle that shows it invoiced to the vice-president/treasurer of the Sharps Rifle Co., that one was a home run for a letter.

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I guess I am looking for some input that will encourage me to not feel bad about paying that price.
If it's any consolation, in about 40 years of collecting prewar Colt Single Actions and Winchester Lever Actions I don't think I've ever made a purchase and after laying down a chunk of change, walking away without being a little weak in the knees and asking myself; "what the heck did I just do"! However, it doesn't take me too long to get over it and enjoy my new acquisition! Enjoy your Bisley!!!
 

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Okay, the general consensus is that all is well. Now I guess I can sit down with this one with a sense of anticipation and see what I have ahead of me for getting it right and tight. The finish is original and I can't recall if the screws were buggered or not, so I'll find out tonight if anyone has been into this one in the past. The beauty of the single action platform is that they are so simple to work on and their timing is a cakewalk compared to the DA guns. I just don't want to have to replace any vintage parts if I can avoid it. Someday, I'll find an affordable 32-20 with a long barrel on it (or I'll build one), but for now I'll put this one through its paces. I will still look forward to any input that others can provide and enlighten me on the great mysteries of Bisleys. It still makes no sense why the rarer model is so much less sought after, if we only knew?

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quote: It still makes no sense why the rarer model is so much less sought after, if we only knew?

Probably because most of us growing up on Colt SAA's as our fantasy Cowboy gun...the one that also won the West mind you, thought the Bisley an ugly duckling. I used to think the grip frame shape was hidious. I've mellowed some and appreciate it's charms. Even the Bisleys made by Ruger look good to me now. Go figure.
 

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I guess that's why it has taken me so many years to acclimate to the guns of the frontier/cowboy period. I was accidentally born on the wrong coast and my gun experiences lacked anything you had to cock yourself or use a lever on. I guess that it was fate I was born in a town called Winchester as a fore-telling of where my interests would eventually lead. Growing up, if it wasn't a 1911 or a double action, then what good was it. I have slowly come around to the world of single actions after a friend of mine badgered me into trying CAS. I don't see that as a future hobby, but the guns have drawn my attention and the gunsmith side of me has taken an affinity to rescuing some road-kill examples of period Winchesters and my love for Colt's other products has made me appreciate the single actions. Being born a "Yankee" and never going through a "cowboy" phase left my growth in single actions stunted.

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Being made in 1906 means it's proofed for smokeless powder.
I'm with the majority here you got it at a decent price, if I had the money & found a nice shootable Bisley in .45 Colt or .38-40 I'd jump on it.
I think you did well. That should be fun to shoot.
I'll bet most of us would like a range report when you get the chance.
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I just uploaded the photos, so hopefully I will succeed in posting them here. I looked at the letter and I goofed, it was shipped in January 1905 to Norvell Shapleigh Hardware in St. Louis, MO., still smokeless, but lacks the verified proof, VP in a triangle and has a 5 stamped there instead. The grips are unmarked, I don't know if that would be normal for a Bisley or if they should be numbered. All of the screw heads are good and there is evidence of case colors and blue in well protected areas. I think it is a safe bet that the base pin is a replacement, since it looks like a part that was rusted, then polished and reblued. It certainly doesn't match anything else.

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She may not be the Belle of the ball, but I will hope she can dance!
 

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Looks to me like you did just fine. If you don't mind providing it, either here or in a PM, I'd like to add the serial number of your Bisley to my database for tracking when Colt really started using the verified proof mark on the left front trigger guard bow. Yours correctly doesn't have it and has the "5" inspector mark. Just guessing based on my findings so far, but yours is possibly in the high 250,000 or 260,000 serial number range.
 

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Thanks for the compliments, this afternoon was the first chance to give it a hard look. It looks like some machine work is going to happen in the garage this weekend, making a new cylinder pin, the one that's in there is so sloppy, I wont bother to weld it up. I should have a bushing here by the weekend as a backup if the original doesn't work out.

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Thanks for the compliments, this afternoon was the first chance to give it a hard look. It looks like some machine work is going to happen in the garage this weekend, making a new cylinder pin, the one that's in there is so sloppy, I wont bother to weld it up. I should have a bushing here by the weekend as a backup if the original doesn't work out.

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Great Glad you are going to get to correct some things.
It'd be great to have the skill to machine parts when needed (I don't), let us know how it turns out.
I think you have a nice Colt & it has character. Enjoy.
 
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