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Hello, I was wondering if anyone on here could help me out on a gun I have recently found.I've had a specialist view it and he said it was in fairly good condition, all original parts and a legit peice. It's a colt revolver in the origional wooden box. Its an 1851 model with the London address on the top, it also has 'JFB' engraved onto the handle. I've researched my family tree but there's no one with those initials.Serial numbers 1622 so I believe it was made in 1855? Unfortunately as I'm posting on my phone I cannot upload photos.A dealer thinks its a special order gun, it's got the 7 and a half inch barrell and English proofs on the chamber. There's a kind of floral engraving over parts of the gun but no scene on the barrell. A dealer also believes it was used in the Crimean warIt also has colts patent engraved on the left hand side of the gun.I've spoken to a few dealers and there valuations are from £500 - £4000 Could anyone help me out please?
 

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I'm not a precussion specialist at all, but generally factory engraved colt percussions have some engraving on the barrels if the frame and straps are engraved. What kind of "handle" (stocks or grips) does it have?
 

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It's just a checkered wooden one, I've been told that it's a blatant giveaway that it's english but I haven't come across another one with the same handle on the Internet at all. The dealer says it is an origional handle tho.
 

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Pretty interesting look for sure. Defintely refinished / buffed. I see the engraving on the rammer and frame and straps but nothing on the barrel? There should be matching serial numbers on the barrel and frame and triggerguard and butt. The treatment of the "colts patent" being engraved is interesting. It appears to be fairly fine engraving and doesn't strike me as Gustave Young's style. Makes one wonder why the hammer screw broke and the head is missing? I like the grips......knowing who owned those initials would be a big plus. Original casings are fairly valuable from what I've seen. What value is the dealer asking for it?
 

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It is odd that there's no engraving on the barrel. The wedge is engraved. But I have little experiance with engraved guns.
 

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Yea the serial number is in all of those places and they all match up. On the barrell there's just English proofs marked all the way around. There's a dealer trying to give me £500 for it but a few auction houses have estimated between £800 - £4000
 

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What is that in US dollars? I'm not familar with the currency......
 

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British pounds
 

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DO NOT SELL THIS PISTOL UNTIL YOU HAVE HAD IT LOOKED AT BY SOMEONE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN YOURSELF!!! While it is not a perfect example it has some interesting aspects. BH I am in the UK. If you want some free advice please get in touch.

Rio
 

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Coltsixguns - It converts to roughy $1250 - $6300
I'm going to guess it's defintely worth more than $1250 because of the wooden case but $6300 sounds like a big stretch to me. But I'm basing my guesses on values in America and not England.

We need some of the percussion guys to chime in here!

The lack of engraving on the barrel is different....at least for an american gun it is...but that hand engraved colts patent on the frame leads you to believe that it was done when the gun was new. I saw a similar 1849 pocket a few weeks ago with the hand engraving and hand engraved patent dates but everything else on the gun was engraved except for the cylinder.
 

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It's odd that the barrel is not engraved, Let's see if it's an all serial numbers matching piece. I don't recall if you stated the barrel number matches the frame & trigger guard. The loading lever & wedge should also be serial numbered. If they are all correctly matched, we can go from there. The engraving pattern looks like factory work to me.
 

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I do not think it is odd that the Barrel is not Engraved.


One commissioned or was offered many degrees of coverange of Engraving, and, some Revolvers of the day had this amount of coverage, others had more, some even less.


I would like to see some overall images showing the whole Revolver, and, some images of the Box, open, closed...


Stocks could well be original.


Does look re-Blued to me also.
 

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Just re-read your post & saw you stated the barrel IS matching & London Addressed, Ser. # 1622. That would make it a first year London Model Navy, mfg. in 1853, As the London Models had their own Ser. # Range. I'm not sure if historical letters are available on this piece. It sure is interesting, Might be worth an inquiry to Ms. Haynes
 

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Thank for the response guys. I've sent you a PM Rio. I've got until tomorrow night to decide if i should accept a cash offer of £1500. I think all I know is that it was a special order piece and were still currently tracking the family history.I've also been searching the Internet about it for 2 days straight now and I'm yet to come across one the same as this with the check handle etc...Oyeboten - i'll try and post some photos later.
 

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I don't know that I would be hasty to count the money if it adds up to around $2500 in USD. Even though it's refinished that case might be worth a pretty penny itself. No more than I know I believe I would hand you $2500 in USD if you were standing in front of me with it and take my chances..
 
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