That's interesting. I got images today of a Colt with one of the D markings on the slide. The gun is on the way to me, but the images aren't mine, so I won't/can't share at this time. It's surprising how many of these things continue to show up.Friend sent pictures of several 1911A1 pistols in a military museum in Brazil. All the pistols were worn, but were in original finish. Among them was a March 1945 Remington Rand with a D44 marked slide.
Please show us the pictures... this question is really tricky. Simple First Step: When was D44 (or D?4) put on those pistols. Before the first parkerizing - that means during production. Or on top of the finish at any time later....Friend sent pictures of several 1911A1 pistols in a military museum in Brazil. All the pistols were worn, but were in original finish. Among them was a March 1945 Remington Rand with a D44 marked slide.
Here is the one from the Clawson collection. Not many ever managed to make it back into the USA. This one is still all original finish and parts....Argentine bought complete US navy ships with their handguns. Clawson, Colt .45 Government models, 2nd Edition mentions it on page 143. I have Colt No. 2264095 marked ARA and the Argentine Crest on top of the slide that probably came with an U.S. ship - I do not know which. But without D?4 marking...
Schuren,Argentine bought complete US navy ships with their handguns. Clawson, Colt .45 Government models, 2nd Edition mentions it on page 143. I have Colt No. 2264095 marked ARA and the Argentine Crest on top of the slide that probably came with an U.S. ship - I do not know which. But without D?4 marking...
I know it is not correct and has also nothing to do with D44 (but as we have no new ideas about D44 i may be excused...) here are a few pictures of my ARA Colt No. 2264095. It seems that the pistol was not refinished as ARA was stamped on top of the original finish - but got German proof marks (1994) when it was imported.Schuren,
Yes,...that info on page 143 (Clawson) references Fig. 7-22 on page 151. It is a 1937 Navy that was transferred to the Argentine Navy. Apparently, Clawson identified 21 Navy Pistols in a document titled: "From the files of Charles W. Clawson". (That document is not dated or signed.)
That document titled: "From the files of Charles W. Clawson", lists the 2 Light Cruisers, the 10 Destroyers, and the 4 Submarines transferred to the Argentine Navy between 1951 and 1974. It then lists the 21 Pistols under: "The following are the only known U.S. Navy pistols returned through importers in 1996. Most were refinished in Argentina:" The 1937 on page 151, the Pistol in post # 67, and a 2264XXX Pistol are 3 of the 21 Pistols listed.
P.S. For the Forum,...Please Note This POST has nothing to do with the "D X4" stamped Slides.
Kwill, thank you for giving it a thought and putting another one on show!!!. Compared with the other theories it seems a bit more possible. My problem is: "My" D 44 was probably put on the pistol before it got the phosphate finish...and the rest of the gun (numbers on top of the finish) look original. But I am not sure if this is really so. The British and the Germans are famous for marking their handguns a lot...but Brazilians???....A "new" one:
And a new theory: The US gave Brazil quite a few destroyers in WWII as part of the Lend-Lease program. Brazil also got 701 M1911/M1911A1 pistols as part of the program. US Navy destroyers carry a "DE" designation but in Brazil they were renumbered with just a "D" prefix. The numbers (always ending in 4) still don't make sense however.
Good Morning, and thank you very much!!!
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Here is one with slide marked D44 coming up for auction. It has a story associated with it, but it doesn't shed any light on what the D44 would designate.
As I said "If this is for real...".. One thing I do not know: In the old days (before 1914) an officer bought his own sidearm and kept it, when he left the military. But I do not think this was the case in WW II and later on in the U.S of A. But I could be wrong... Some members should know: Could a comissioned officer (I do not talk about the higher ranks...) keep his pistol when he left the service?Lt. Shapiro died in 1968. How do we know when the Colt .45 was acquired by him ? Goering's Walther is documented in the package that is up for auction, is there anything on the Colt pistol ?
How do we know that Lt. Shapiro didn't buy the pistol sometime after the war ? Just playing devil's advocate here, as absent more data or documentation from Lt. Shapiro's family we don't know if that was really his WWII issued pistol.
Thank you kwill, that brings us back to where we have been before.No, not in the U.S. Except for the very early issued pistols, even General Officers were required to pay for their pistols if they wanted to keep them when they retired. Lower ranks were not permitted to keep them even if they were willing to pay for them. It happened on occasion but it wasn't supposed to.