[GUNKWAZY]

Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Auctions

I'm not sure, but does this board have rules against posting ACTIVE/LIVE/Current running auctions ?

I know that other boards I'm a member of, do NOT allow posting of active auctions, only finished auctions.
The reason for this is simple, it's the fact that someone may be watching an auction that was improperly or poorly listed and waiting to bid in the last minutes in hopes that nobody else will find that item. Hoping to get at the very least, a good deal.
Once it's posted for the rest of the world to see, that post may cost the potential buyer hundreds of dollars.
I've seen good friends become an enemy of each other over these posts.

I was just curious as to this boards ruling on this type of thing .

I personally have found several items that I've wanted to post here and thought differently in fear of costing someone here a bunch of money.

What is our ruling on this subject ?

Thanks, Jeff (GUNKWAZY)

 

[Addicted]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Auctions

Jeff, Your statements are justified but they are not listed in the forum 'rules' as a no no.

Rules as they currently read:

1) be polite to everyone.

2) this is an adults only board so some profanity is allowed as long as it's not directed toward anyone or any group.

3) no pornographic, sexist, anti-"insert ethnic/religious/political group here" posts/pictures allowed.

4) all "for sale", "want to trade", etc posts are allowed only in the Classifieds section. commercial ads are allowed in the Classifieds section as long as it's not SPAM.

 

[reddogge]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Auctions

I, for one, think it's very bad form to post a link to a live auction. What are they trying to accomplish? And if it isn't a rule it should be.

Enuff said!

 

[PZ93C]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Auctions

True, Addicted. But if I was bidding on a Colt, I sure wouldn't want it broadcast to other Colt collectors.

Brian

 

[22-rimfire]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Auctions

Jeff, I have to agree with you on the posting of ongoing auctions. GA would not apply necessarily. I don't know about "rules" though. Back when that nickel 2.5" 22 Diamondback was running, I was most hestitate to tell any of the Diamondback collectors about it as I was bidding on it.... price just got really high and I dropped out. There have been others as well. You are right about a posting potentially costing someone hundreds of dollars. This could apply to any Colt collectable item.

 

[A1A]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

I wouldn't disagree about a rule against posting live auctions because it would by policy eliminate issues. However, never lose sight of the fact that the purpose of an auction is to get the highest price for the seller that anyone is willing to pay. If another is willing to pay more than someone trying to take advantage of a seller, it didn't "cost" him anything, it just irritated him because he couldn't steal it. In fact not expanding the market "costs" the seller. However, no one should complain if the market is determined solely by the auction vehicle and not posting would probably be at least a good practice.

 

[fire17]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

Gun collecting is supposed to be a hobby. Addicted or any forum member should be able to post whatever they want as long as it does not attack another member. Are you guys making money off of the auctions is that why you don't want them posted? The Colt forum is not overrun with activity I enjoy Addicted's auction posts. There are no secret auctions so stop whinning.

 

[GUNKWAZY]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

Welcome to the board fire17.
Off to a good start I see.
I'm not whining, but posting known rules & facts from other boards that are much more seasoned than this one.
I too enjoy reading the posts (all 3 of yours).
There are some readers here that are not even members of our board. Those people may even be FFL holders than can take advantage of such posts here.
The posts may look to be helpful, but are much more problems than they seem.
Until you've watched something patiently for 7 damn days and think you are going to get a fine gun for a very nice price that you may very well would not have been able to purchase otherwise (some guys here don't have all your money), and then have someone post it across the boards bringing everyones attention to it, then see that gun be sold for way over what you originally would have got it for, then just watch your posts and where you stick your nose.
I wasn't pointing the finger at any one post or member, that's why I started a new post. Out of commmon courtesy.
I've just noticed a few of these active auctions being posted as a LOOKY what I found recently and thought I would ask the question as to our thoughts on this matter.

Have a better day.
Jeff (GUNKWAZY)

 

[robba]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

Why do I think this is much ado over not much? We all love a bargain, but there really are not many on the net anymore.

I watched two auctions that had been mentioned on the Ruger forum today, and could have bid the guy up, but did not. Someone else bid once or twice, and the guy got the guns for about what he wanted to pay. I also could have found both of these on my own, but did not, and appreciated another forum member calling my attention to them. These auctions were mentioned by two different Ruger forum members.

I really don't see much harm being done. If I want bargains, I'll go haunt the gun & pawn shops, because thats where we find our best deals. However if I see a rare revolver on the net that I can't do without, whether I found it or it was announced by another forum member, and I want that gun bad enough to mortgage the farm, then I'll bid the hell out of it. I think this is called free enterprise, the foundation of our economy.

By the way, why isn't someones 3rd. post as valuable as anothers 500th?

 

[dant]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

It only takes two people who want the same thing to drive up any auction.
Yes, we like to find/see a deal and hope NO-one else "see's it" but in this age of the computers , the whole world is watching.
If some-one is "interested" but doesn't understand or "thinks" something may be "wrong", I have NO problem with another 'collector' asking me to "take a look at it" and tell me what you think. They do this to me at the gun shows ALL the time, come over and ask my advice and I "freely" give, hate to see someone get "burned" like we were in the beginning.

Then you have the "do gooders" who have to put a link to EVERY damn auction that is out there, yes, that to me is annoying and the one part I do not care for. If you know thats what I collect, then call me and tell me!
Hell, I don't have the time to get to the 'Forums' , let alone scan and peruse all the auction sites! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[Gunsmoke]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

Everybody who gave his or her input in this discussion has a point. I do whish to add one thing though:

You all like to make the deal of the century. As you are all colt-lovers you certainly would not like one of us to get hung-up on an auction of dubious scource or intent.

I remember a thread about a boa being sold for a number of times by the same seller, which gave the suspicious impression of driving-up the price. If live-auctions can no longer be shown on this board by rule, you the users, buyers can no longer warn eachother if something fishy is going on.

Just my 2c.

Gunsmoke

 

[robba]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

I agree! For the life of me, I don't see what the big deal is. This is supposed to be a hobby.

One gun, one way or another should not cause a lifethreatning occurance, usless one is shot with it!

As long as posting auctions is not carried to extreme, why not leave it alone.

Yee gads!

 

[JHesseltine]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

I agree with Robba. I don't spend a lot of time on the computer and I for one appreciate a "heads up" whether I bid or not is my choice.

 

[Majic]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

To those of us here it is a hobby, but I think I understand what Jeff is saying. Some of the other forums have quite a few dealers who were on the lookout for those auction tips because they were for items that was sought after by the members. After a while I started to notice that the same guns from the auction would show up in the classifieds for a tidy little profit. The spirit of the classifieds as a hobby was becoming a business for a few at the other members expense. I think Jeff is just looking to make sure that doesn't happen here. We are a small family with no problems now, but who knows what the future may hold.

 

[robba]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

Whenever you have any kind of an organization of human beings, you will always have a few who will try to use it for their own selfish ends. If this is so important to some of you, then start "outing" those you feel are misusing the forums.

I do not personally do things like this because I can't be bothered with the pettiness of it all. But I do understand there may be some problems. Soooo...shine the light the on the true offenders when you are sure somone is bending the rules. Just be sure you are right! We do not need "forum gestapo" running around accusing anyone of anything if it cannot be proven.

Guns are fun, but to miss not aquiring one is also not the end of the world to me.

I know one thing I am sure done with this post! Have a great week, whats left of it.

 

[manderson]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

This should be moved to the general discussion board.

robba,

Your forgetting about the lurkers.

There are so many people taking advantage of the internet market that I would tend to fall in line with those who think we probably should not post auctions.

It's unfortunate. I liked to post auctions for friends here that might be interested when I see a good deal. This would apparently perpetuate the negative side of this issue. I also like to post some auctions for fun when we are watching to see how gullible some people are. This also perpetuates the issue because we are merely watching the problem first hand.

This is an excellent and important topic, but not something to get heated over. Just a discussion. I will personally stop posting open auctions. I don't normally do internet auctions anyway. I stick with GA which is all classifieds and fixed prices.

 

[GUNKWAZY]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

I started the post (the original post) asking what I thought was a simple question.
Then I get people like Fire17 telling me...
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There are no secret auctions so stop whinning.


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Ok, slap in the face.

Then Robba flies in and complains and also said...
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I do not personally do things like this because I can't be bothered with the pettiness of it all. Leave it alone.

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Can't be bothered ? Yet, posts every day and does not leave it alone.

If the MODERATOR reads this, feel free to just DELETE this post altogether.

I didn't start this post to create problems, yet I thought I may stop some before they start.
It's a simple proven fact that posting active auctions have caused problems on other boards in the past. That's why they are NOT allowed.
For those that don't watch the auctions sites closely or do some serious searching for hard to find items it's simple that they don't care about these postings. Those people like when someone hands them a good deal and they didn't have to work for it.
The days of finding good deals on auction sites still exist for those willing to put the time in to find them. Yes, you need to be savy enough to find these hidden treasures and it takes time & brains to do it.
I know, because I still find them and I enjoy the hunt.
I have added some wonderful items to my collections over the years doing this at great prices.
The point here is that we have "X" amount of members here.
We are a very small community in comparison to many other boards. We are NOT the only ones watching. There are hundreds maybe thousands of people that read our board that we don't even know exist.
Example: You could post here on this board that Walmart is giving a free Colt revolver to the next 100 people that show up and say the magic words "COLT FORUM" in the sporting goods department, and you would fall over when you find out that nobody here on the board even got one.
Hmmm, how could that happen ? Do I need to tell you ?
Anyway, I'm just kicking up problems that some of you don't care about.

Mr. MODERATOR... feel free to make this whole thread go away.
You have my permission. It's causing more problems than it's worth.

Thanks for your time, Jeff (GUNKWAZY)

 

[A1A]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Aucti

And I didn't think I'd be adding another post to this topic but here I am to say:
Under the varying opinions on the specific issue there is a valuable reminder. This (and all or most) internet fora are very public. If there is anything you don't want the whole world to know, don't post it. That is why many don't post full serials, pictures of all their guns, etc on this and other boards. Some are more concerned about the privacy aspect than others, but all should be aware. You are not necessarily just exchanging information with a small group with similar interests. That is "worth" the discussion.

 

[Ira Paine]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Auctions

Read the Rules, NO we don't have rules against posting live auctions.

Hope we never do as I think it's a great way to "help" other collectors
find that special Colt to add to there collection.
IP

 

[robba]

Re: Don\'t we have rules against posting LIVE Auctions

Amen, brother!