I just went to see abuddy who called me about a SAA. Here's the data. 45lc, 4 3/4" wood grips and two line barrel address. The only serial number on the gun is on the trigger guard. The serial number areas on the frame and grip strap are clean as they can be. The weren't removed or buffed out they just aren't there. The serial numbrr is 17257 with a "J" under it. The patent dates are two lines with three dates and no horse. The marking are as follows: K on the end of the ejector housing near the muzzle, P and J on the sides of the cylinder and L and C on the rear face, C on the loading gate, K in the hammer channel just below sight V and last but not least RAC on the one piece wood grips. Gun is in great condition with good protected case and some blue. The only negative us the last 1.5" of the barrel has an old cold blue. Looking in the muzzle area there is some pitting so someone a long time ago wanted to stop the corrosion. Still doesnt look bad . I'll post pics at home. Any ideas on this one?
Got a wierd one here guys!
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Theres no gap but the barrel is definitely marked. Its also marked underneath of course. Gun is not normal, I'll give you that, but the frame and grip strap not having a serial number is something worth looking into. I don't know how one could get a frame from Colt with no serial number. Also, the frame is stamped with a 3 under the trigger guard and the trigger guard has the reverse imprint that could only have been imprinted when the 3 was stamped in the frame and still high and crisp. Anyone know anything about Bannerman SAA's? I've stated hearing that name pop up.
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Is there an assembly number on the loading gate? There should be and it should match the number on frame under triggergaurd. lack of ser. # on frame usually means its been buffed off for a refinish. Lack of ser.# on BS could mean the same or it's not even a Colt BS. There should be the last 4 digits of ser.# on cylinder. If you can see letters on it, you should be able to see the # as it was usually stamped deeper than letters. RAC grips don't jive with a 17xxx #. Since at the very least the barrel and grips have been changed out, I think it's as OC said, perhaps monkeyed with a lot.
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Does the loading gate have an assembly number, inspector's mark, or blank?-- Kopec's data on the Bannerman's Models mentions this information.
Guys, there is no buffing out on this gun, I GUARANTEE! There are no serial numbers on the frame and there never have been. It's a 100% original finish on both and you can tell it is as such. Even if I hadn't put my hands on quite a few then I would still be able to tell.
Just for comparison. I have US 17742 and there is no letters stamped on the face. 4 digits on cylinder with P and J. Compared to mine, your P & J look pretty fresh. JMO!
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The gun has been messed with so much you can't be sure what it is or when it dates to. It has what appears to be an 1896 or earlier frame, but without a serial number how do you prove anything. It has a trigger guard that dates to 1875 by serial number, a barrel that dates to 1890 or later, 1890's RAC stocks, and an ejector rod head that dates to 1882 or later. It's a Heinz 57; I'd hate to argue my case with the feds; others mileage might vary!!!!
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I got that from your earlier posts which is why i asked OC about the legality aspect. i wouldn't think there would be a legal issue at all with the date of mfg and not ever having a serial#. I like it.
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All due respect John, as I know you to be knowledgeable and putting a lot of research and thought into your post's. But are you really going to argue that the federal agency that gave us "Fast and Furious" is implicated in the murder of a Border patrol agent and is now charged with coaching mentally handicapped people to make straw purchases. I think I would pass the deal and the potential hassle.
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