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Pic's of the GM box (bottom) serial number would tell a lot. If you have seen a number of original's, they are very hard to duplicate.
 

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The inside will tell the story to ,should have printed Ifo on labels pasted inside the box that year & up to the early 30's then the info was printed on the inside of the box itself after 31/32 some where in those years .
 

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Colt GM Box Aug. 7 1919

Scott,
Here is a GM box only NO Gun that shipped Aug. 7 1919. It was shipped with Ivory grips.
The outer skin color is purple and very fragile
The serial number is listed in The GOVERNMENT MODELS Book by Goddard PG 269
I should have never sold it, but I still kept the photos to use for that early post WW1 time frame












 

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Thanks Rich. I appreciate your friendship and your knowledge. The box came with the gun. It is not numbered but it is an original Colt box. May be from a different year but looks original.
 

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If you compare the "GOVERNMENT MODEL." label on all the boxes shown, you will see a distinct difference in the label on the box of this 1919 than all the others.

The "G" is totally different. The "O" in GOVERNMENT is different. The legs on the "M" are vertical on the OP pistol box, where they are slightly angled on all the other boxes. I notice the labels inside the box are different, too. How about a good close-up of the bottom of the box and the serial number there? Thanks.
 

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I really don't think the "skin" is right on that box, either. Compare it to the bottom of Rich's box. Look how far and uniform the skin comes over the bottom on his box and compare that to your box. Something there just doesn't look right. I think there may be more wrong than just the labels.

I'm confident there are guys who have made a study of commercial Colt boxes and could probably tell you more than I can. But I have looked at a lot of Colt boxes over the years, and while I may not always immediately identify exactly what's wrong, I usually do know when something doesn't look right.
 

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I think what you are seeing...

is an artifact of the photo. The grips are bevelled at the bottom, and the panels are convex, which gives the appearance of an arch to what is, essentially, a flat surface intersecting the curve of the grip panels.

mhb - Mike

Nice indeed but a range report would be better.Did all of the 1911's from that time period have the bottom of the grip panels arched?Does anyone know the reason for the arch.It just kinda looks wrong to me.D*
 

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I suppose if all you are looking for is a "Like" or a pat on the pat, then it might seem like a tough crowd. But if you're looking to learn something, maybe it's a helpful crowd?
I am use to tough crowds.. It is interesting read seeing everyone's opinion on the box.. My question was how many Government Model M1911 pistols were shipped in 1919 in comparison to US Property 1911 pistols of the sale year.. Yeah, I am interested in learning about this and knowing if this is an uncommon gun… The box fake or real is not all that interesting… The gun on the other hand…
 

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Trying to contribute to the knowledge,---is sometimes difficult!? (Just like the hardware,---it is what it is.)

ssgunnip,

Back to the pistol,---what is the serial number? Looks like C 120728?

BTW, that left side roll stamp is hard to find on the GM side. (An old collector/researcher estimated there might be less than 5000 of these GM slides.??)

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I am use to tough crowds.. It is interesting read seeing everyone's opinion on the box.. My question was how many Government Model M1911 pistols were shipped in 1919 in comparison to US Property 1911 pistols of the sale year.. Yeah, I am interested in learning about this and knowing if this is an uncommon gun… The box fake or real is not all that interesting… The gun on the other hand…
Trying to make a comparison on the numbers of M1911 pistols and Government Models produced in any given year is comparing apples and oranges. However, looking at GM production from 1912 to 1924, 1919 ties for second with 1917 for highest number produced (roughly 21,000). 1916 had roughly 60,000 produced. 1912 had the least produced...about 2000 total.

I'll bet the box would be a lot more interesting to you if you'd paid for an original boxed gun. Original boxes with GM pistols tend to fetch a pretty hefty premium when the pistols are nice.
 
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