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I didn't want to go this far off topic on another OP's thread so I started this one to get into some better detail. These were guns I had at hand in the office this morning for comparison via my phone's camera. Make of it what you will for detailing on the hammer and back strap ears. Some won't care. Others likely don't know what I am looking for. And other yet will be fine with what they see once it is pointed out.

Custom shop 3rd Gen Colts.

what to look for? Hammer fit to frame...hammer does not sit deep enough into frame.



Hammer does not fit frame profile








USFA factory profiles

what to look for? How well they are fit in the areas we are discussing







2nd Gen Colt

Overly large hammer profiles and slightly mis-matched and overly round ears






Uberti

Looks a lot like USFA work...should as it is the same CNC program doing the work. If I could find as 3rd Gen Colt that looked this good in the same area I's be thrilled. To their credit Standard uses a like CNC program as Uberti and USFA before them.






Custom 3rd Gen Colt (not factory)

Trying to make the hammer profile and back strap ears fit better than original...not the best work but better than how the parts started out for fit.



 

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Nice shots. Now can someone explain what I'm looking for/at? For about 10 years a few people bring up the "ears" on SAA. They assess how good, bad, or ugly they are. I've never figured out what they're talking about. It would be nice to have a photo with lines and arrows and dimensions of a "good" back end (of a Colt, I mean...no fun guys).
 

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Sure easy enough to do.

Purple? How does the hammer fit the frame...best viewed looking straight down. Is there a gap between hammer and frame? And from straight on the side? Does the hammer profile match the contour of the frame?

Red? Viewed from the side does the arc of the hammer match the arc of the frame?

Blue? Does the hammer profile match the back strap ears? Is there an over laps or under cut? Are the corners square and sharp on the back strap ears and the hammer edges.

Hope that helps.


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For comparison a couple of nice 1st Gen Colts
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"Colt SAA 2nd Generation transition to 3rd Generation revolver, .357 Magnum cal., 5-1/2” barrel, blue and case hardened finish, thick stag grips, #66788SA "

Note the rounding of the edges on the hammer base and the back strap ears inside and out. Top of the hammer blending to the frame looks pretty good but hard to tell from this angle.

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Here is another area that get collector's attention.

The narrow (in blue) and pointed flutes on a 2nd and 3rd Gen guns. And the wide, (in red) rounded flutes on a 1st Gen and USA made USFA guns. All 3rd Gen Colts pictured here except for the pearl handled USA made, USFA gun.

 

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1st and 2nd Gen cylinder flutes as a comparison.....3rd gen guns just get worse IMO and more pointed. When you start looking at the machining details one can't help but wonder if those 3rd Gen cylinders are coming from Uberti. The evidence shows that idea isn't so far fetched. Easy way to tell if it is an Italian cylinder on a USFA gun is the same detail, narrow pointed cylinder flutes. Imagine that?!.




Highlighted..1st Gen is in red.

 

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For the guys that want a pony on your gun for cosmetic appeal...any thing is possible.

this is a hand cut "circle Colt" (typically 1896 to 1912) on a 3rd Gen Colt.



This is a hand cut Unicorn on a gun better than a current production Colt.

 

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I know what you are noticing and probably not liking. Colt got very sloppy in polishing those ears on early Colt SAA 2nd Gen guns, so much so that I wouldn't buy one. The circular portion of the hammer should be level with the ears, not above or below. The ears should be perfectly semi-circular (and not rounded with a buffing wheel), so that the ears and matching hammer portion is in one semi-circular plane. Also the gaps (clearance) between the hammer and ears should be the same as above between hammer and frame. At least that was the original standard.
 

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I spoke with Eddie Jancek(?) at Peacemaker Specialists several years ago. He mentioned that his most requested task was re-milling the flutes in 3rd gen Colt SAA's to make them look more like 1st gen.
 
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