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Hello All, I want to buy a SAA for my collection - help me spend my money!

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Hello, I've been collecting Pythons for a few months now and now really want to get a good ol Western SAA. My favorite place to shop is Gunbroker (but I will do others if advised). With the current listings at Gunbroker.com, what current Auction or Buy it Now would you purchase?

Thanks in advance, I'll post a video shooting it if it's able for the help provided. Thank you

More info:
$8000 budget
Must be older than 1890
Any caliber, any length, any finish

what looks good to you? If you had an $8000 budget, what would you buy and why?
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I have no advice on GB or the other auction/on line sites, since I don't buy from them. But I will advise that you generally avoid the early 3rd gen SAAs, due to the typical poor quality of fit and finish. There are a couple of threads on things to look out for on the early 3rd gens. They're not all bad, but I would NEVER buy one without physically inspecting it, or having an inspection period for any online buy.

I hope you're looking for one to shoot, it would be nice to see more at the range, and they're a lot of fun.

Best regards,
Welcome to the Forum. Keep an eye on our Want to Sell section. SAA's come up from time to time.
Hello, I've been collecting Pythons for a few months now and now really want to get a good ol Western SAA. My favorite place to shop is Gunbroker (but I will do others if advised). With the current listings at Gunbroker.com, what current Auction or Buy it Now would you purchase?

Thanks in advance, I'll post a video shooting it if it's able for the help provided. Thank you
Too open ended. What caliber, barrel length, finish do you want?
The one posted above looks pretty good. also, Check out the guy from Buckeye, AZ (Glassmania). I bought one off of him and he treated me right. You can go fancy, basic, historical. Remember: before about 193,00 shouldn't be shot with smokeless powder. I like Bisleys, myself. Except for 357, ammo is steep unless you reload.
Decide first on what you want - caliber, barrel length, finish, etc.

I've had great luck on Gunbroker - including using the 'Buy It Now' feature - but I understand that others may not have.

Do your homework, look at the seller's profile, 'talk' to the seller, get an inspection period, and you should do all right.
I'd avoid the third generation ones and concentrate on a nice second or maybe even first generation.
The question is, are you going to shoot it, or just stare at it. I enjoy them more when I shoot them.
I'm on a similar search, something I can shoot, but likely not often, in a caliber I already reload for - .38 special, .44 special or .357 mag. I think I've narrowed it down to a late 1st gen or 2nd gen. I'd like to keep it under $2K if possible (not sure if it is).

Question - how many such guns are blued vs. nickeled? I'm not crazy about nickel - sold my last one due to obsessing over fingerprints.
I don't have any preference, I'm curious to see what guns you guys are interested in and why. My only request is it's older than 1890's, I have a $8000 budget.
If you are looking at older than 1890, most of the advice above is not what you are looking for, as this limits you to only the first generation Single Action Army. This is not much of a 'limitation', in my opinion, as I prefer the first generation SAA, and prefer pre-1899 SAA's. I don't think you need to necessarily limit yourself to a pre-1890 firearm, because anything produced prior to 1899 is considered an antique, and not a firearm, for BATF purposes. If you want a fiream that is pre-1899, the serial number cut-off is 182,000. If you want a firearm to shoot occasionally that is an antique and can shoot smokeless powder, you would want a firearm in the 165,000 to 182,000 range.

Having said that, if you still want a pre-1890 gun and have $8,000 to spend, the following comes to mind:

First, $8,000 is a really decent budget. You should be able to get something very nice!

Options that come to mind:

I personally, for some reason, like the early SAA's, that were produced for the Civilian market. These are under 22,000, I believe, and contain an Italic barrel address.

Other Civilian options to consider, that are fairly neat, might be a .44-40 Colt Frontier Six Shooter with an acid-etched panel. This is an interesting variation and collectors will spend lots of money for a nice specimen.

A really nice Artillery Model could be had for $8,000, if a military specimen is desired. You could also purchase a Cavalry model for this type of money, but, in the $8,000 range, condition may not be as good as with some of the other options I have suggested.

I really like the early SAA's, and it is something about the 7 1/2 " barrel length with original wood grips that just seems, to me, to be the quintessential Colt. Others on this forum prefer shorter barrel lengths.

In general, blued finishes tend to be more desirable than nickel ones. A bit of wear on a blued finish firearm does not detract from the appearance as much as an identical amount of wear on a nickel gun.

Other advice: BUY the very best quality you can afford for your money. Quality will pay dividends again and again! Also, take your time when it comes to selecting a firearm. Perhaps attend a few antique arms shows and talk to people, see what is out there, etc. Finding this firearm may take months or years. In my experience, when I have money to spend, I do not usually find anything worth buying at any given time. When I am flat broke, usually a lot of nice stuff rears its head.

When you find something nice, look for originality. By going to lots of gun shows and talking with other folks, you might start to get a feel of what is right and what is not. I see you are in Las Vegas and there is a really good antique firearms show out there at least annually.

Another good way to learn is to look at auction house photos and descriptions, such as James Julia and Rock Island.

When you do find something you like, if it is not something you need to buy immediately, such as a 'steal' at an antiques arms show (which usually is not a 'steal' -- if it is too good to be true, it probably is!), you can always post pictures to this forum and several very knowledgeable experts can give an opinion as to what you have and what it is worth and if it is worth the money.

I should mention one other thing: If your goal is a really low serial number, which it does not look like it is, those would be considered a pinch-frame revolver. Those sell upwards of $100,000, usually, so, if in your research, you come across one of these and note the astronomical price asked for it, it is a rare variation that is highly sought after. Other than that, with an $8,000 budget, you have lots of options.

I should state that $8,000 can get you some very nice stuff, but if you want a new, in the box 'look', the pristine stuff goes for well over this amount. But, if you want something very nice, in the 80 % range, for a common civilian firearm, you should have a fair number of options.

One last thing. In my opinion, and this is only an opinion, the Colt SAA market seems fairly high to me. It seems that prices could drop on these in time. However, I could be wrong about this and have been proven wrong in the past. Also, the 'long-term' value of the stuff you and I are interested in is anyone's guess. There is much debate on this, and other, forums as to what will happen to all this stuff, value-wise, when those who hold all this stuff (age 50 +, and often considerably age 50 +) are no longer around. The younger generations tend to like plastic guns (AR-15's, etc.), or are raised in a very anti-firearm culture and fear firearms, antique or otherwise. Thus, in the next 25 years or so, will all this stuff that many on the forum like and collect, hold its value?
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As has been said, for $8000 you should be able to get a really nice 1st gen. I wish my budget would have been 8k for my 1st one. You can probably find a pretty good original-not refreshed etched panel for that maybe even with Ivories or MOP. Take your time, do you're homework and you'll do fine.
My opinion is that guns are fun, but I would NOT buy one for an investment, 8K is a lot of money for something very easily stolen. I once had 25K in realy nice antique single shot rifles, including an English Henry. Then one day they were all gone, stolen while I was off somewhere. I found out the police did not give a hoot about stolen antique rifles or handguns. Do you really think someone will not hear about your 8K SAA and decide to steal it? Unless you NEVER SHOW it or SHOOT it someone will find out, trust me. As "I, Clauious" said," trust no one, trust no one"
My advice would be to avoid online sales, and rather spend a few hundred of your budget on an airline ticket; walk one of the big shows like Louisville or Tulsa and see what you find. As has been pointed out, given what you're looking to spend you should be able to find something nice. Invest in Don Wilkerson's cyclopedias (vol. 1, at least) and educate yourself first!
I don't have any preference, I'm curious to see what guns you guys are interested in and why. My only request is it's older than 1890's, I have a $8000 budget.
YOU HAVE A LOT---LOT!!!---TO LEARN, SIR !! Why in the world do you think you can come in here an admitted ignoramous and expect us to do all your work for you ? WHY in the world would you want us to do so !? WHAT is so sacred about 1890? Why a measly 8M bucks when you can spend 80M for a really nice SA pistol ? Or are you just jerking us all around trying to look importent ? Perhaps you need a new pen pal and now you can sound importent to a bunch of strangers ? I am not impressed by gunwhiners, now grow up and go do something YOURSELF.
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And with that, welcome to the forum...............I guess.
MRCVS thank you so much for the information, it was right on the money! And everyone else thank you for the welcome to the forum, even the troll I want to thank! Every forum has to have one right?

MRCVS response was just what I needed, just a little background from a collector with knowledge and love for the gun. You can research and read in books all you want, but there's something to be said for some honest non reviewed or editorialized candid responses from a real collector.

I'll do some research and when I buy I'll post what I came up with.
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Have a bit of cabin fever Will???

YOU HAVE A LOT---LOT!!!---TO LEARN, SIR !! Why in the world do you think you can come in here an admitted ignoramous and expect us to do all your work for you ? WHY in the world would you want us to do so !? WHAT is so sacred about 1890? Why a measly 8M bucks when you can spend 80M for a really nice SA pistol ? Or are you just jerking us all around trying to look importent ? Perhaps you need a new pen pal and now you can sound importent to a bunch of strangers ? I am not impressed by gunwhiners, now grow up and go do something YOURSELF.
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I see no one has mentioned "A Study of the Colt Single Action Army Revolver" by Graham, Kopec and More. This is the "bible" for first generation SAA collectors. Buy this book and study it. Since your budget for purchase is pretty good, you can certainly afford a copy. It isn't cheap, but there are several copies of the 2006 edition listed on eBay and Amazon for under $200. It is well worth the money.
Good luck in your search.

- Buckspen
Without piling on Will's apparent Tongue in cheek diatribe, you can't realistically expect to decide you want to find and buy a quality early to mid period SAA without knowing what to look for and how to judge what you find. You can't buy a new one from the factory guaranteed by Colt to be what it is advertised to be. You need basic education and experience which only can come from personally looking at and analyzing as many examples, good and bad, as you can. You can easily spend $8000 on a gun that you would be lucky to resell for $4000. You can look on on line and see many such examples.

Assuming your being candid with us and not pulling our legs, I have been where you are. Let me share some of my own experience. After collecting Smiths for more than 30 years, some years ago, I decided I wanted a definitive antique Colt SAA. I learned general SAA history so I knew what I was looking for and searched the online advertised guns for sale and their descriptions. I remember being impressed by the range of prices being asked for the same period gun in similar condition. I ultimately found a private dealer in my local. I met with him, liked his style and candor and the education he was willing to give me. I discovered he was well respected in the business for his honesty and knowledge. I decided to make my initial purchase from him knowing that he had vetted the gun and stood behind it. Also, he continued to educate me on judging condition and originality. With that initial purchase, I became smitten with Colts. I was more than willing to pay his markup on my following purchases from him for the education and reassurance.

I eventually came to feel I could make good decisions on my own but I reached that place sooner than I would have on my own. So I would suggest that you either find a mentor, a dealer you trust or experienced collector to mentor you and accompany you to stores or shows and examine guns with you. You will then be in a good place to spend your money with confidence.

Many on this forum are very knowledgeable and experienced, but their advice based on pictures is not nearly as good as analysis and advise based on first hand inspection. While this forum is valuable, it will not substitute for your personal education.

I will add that while you can find a good, untouched pre 1890 SAA with sharp metal and stampings for $8,000, its extremely unlikely you will be able to find one that is blue and case with 80% finish. A nickel gun, yes. Also, unless good luck intervenes, expect that it will take you some time and energy to find your gun.
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