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What do we have here?

This is being advertised as a "WW2 Tribute 1911" in 32 acp.
Air gun Wood Trigger Gun barrel Wood stain


Air gun Trigger Wood Gun barrel Gun accessory


Wood Hood Motor vehicle Metal Leather

Nothing suspicious here...
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Never heard of that place...

Someone went to a fair amount of trouble here and I found it interesting. From the sellers description, "I don't have much history on this gun as I bought it from an FFL dealer when I lived in Maryland. He brought it from a client/private collector who said that it was a token gift from sales reps of Colt and Gun wholesalers to give to generals and executives for purchasing coal products. This occurred pre-and post war. I cannot validate that other than giving you his number once the sale is pending. The weapon & case is stunning. I found one other for sale some years ago that sold for twice this amount. I don't have a reference, you can do your own investigating and ask me questions after you have reviewed all of the pictures. "

Yours for only a measly $2k.

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What do we have here?
Hm-m-m-m...not much, to my way of thinking.

And Hartfort, CT?? Lord have mercy. This is so far beyond sad, it's...well, I just don't know.

Somebody take a torch to that thing, put it out of its misery.
 

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The Spanish proof is visible on the barrel in pic6.

It's a Llama Model 10a (probably).
Models 6-10 are vey similar, but with and without grip safety, or .380acp
The 10a was made after 1954. It has a locked breech and is a very soft shooter
(.32, locked breech, heavy for it's size)

A side-by-side pic with a 1911 would show it to be
about 75% of full 1911 size.

The only 1911-ish Llama made during WWII was the Model 1 in .32acp
But it didn't have a grip safety, and was blowback action.
 

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AND FURTHERMORE:

The Spanish proof is visible on the barrel in pic6.
It's a Llama Model 10a (probably)....
Browning has copied the Llama 1911-ish style to produce the 1911-380.
As has Rock Island with their "Baby Rock".
And they both sell the hell out if them.
A "1911" in a smaller caliber is not a new idea.

The Star Model Si from the 1960's in .32acp is another example.

 

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Oh, what the heck - if anyone cares....
here's the short version of the Llama "Spanish baby 1911 - 1911a1's":

Model 1 - .32acp blowback first made in 1933. No grip safety
A well known shipment of ~1000 went to GECO in Germany in 1943.
These do not have German or Nazi proofs, but do have a "GECO"
proof. Anecdotally, they were for the Luftwaffe.
Good examples sell for about $1000-1500

Model 2 - as Model 1, but .380 Also from 1933 No grip safety

Model 3 - modified Model 2, 1936-1954. No grip safety

Model 3a - Model 3a after 1955, with grip safety

Model 4 & 5 9mm Largo or .38acp. Locked breech and No grip safety.
From 1931, and the first of the 1911-ish pistols

Model 6 - .380, locked breech, no grip safety

Model 7 - .38 Super, locked breech, no grip safety

Model 8 - A Model 4 or 7, with a locked breech and a grip safety. After 1955

Model 9 - .32acp, 9mm Largo, or .45 acp. Locked breech, no grip safety

Model 9a - as 9, but with grip safety. Some were .32acp...

Model 10 - locked breech .32acp, no grip safety

Model 10a - .32acp as Model 10, with grip safety.

Model 1 through 9 are either the wrong caliber, and/or have no grip safety.

So... if anyone is still reading this:
It could be either a 9a or 10a.

...I'll shut up now.
 

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It may have started life as a Llama, but the wrong person got ahold of it. In '69, I had the "mini-1911" version in .32acp. Paid $25 for it. It was a well made pistol, and as someone else mentioned, it was kinda heavy for its size. It was fun to shoot. It's long gone now, of course, but I wouldn't mind having another one in good shape.
 
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