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Pictures of a Waffenamt 1945 Norwegian Pistol. The dark areas are 74 year-old finish bloom. Got One to Show??

This one is the fourth of the
Waffenamt 1945 Norwegian Pistols. Maybe a little beat-up (mishandling damage/wear, most likely, in a heap/pile several times) and with a Waffenamt stamp jump.

There is a lot of info in the Clawson GM book, pages 163 through 180. He shows a Waffenamt 1945 on page 179. IIRC, it shows all the markings a Waffenamt 1945 should have, except the grip safety, the main spring housing, and the bottom of the chamber on the barrel, which also have the last 3 of the serial number. The KONGSBERG-COLTEN also shows a inspection letter on the top of the slide behind the rear sight. The first Waffenamt 1945 (serial number 29615) shown in the book, has a "J", the fourth has a "A". Apparently, 29973 does not have a stamp in that position (pictures from that book). Chuck Clawson cautioned that the 920 Waffenamt 1945s (29615 through 30534) were Not issued...so the higher collectable examples can have handling marks but should show little usage (similar to the Lend-Lease Pistols).


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Stan, Very nice! The one I am looking at has a lighter color finish.
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This one is dark, except for the slide stop, mag release, hammer, extractor and rear sight. The mag release and hammer (possibly the slide stop) look case-hardened. It might have something to do with the lighting? In the left profile picture the front strap looks lighter, it is the same shade as the rest of the Pistol. The picture of 29615 in the KONGSBERG-COLTEN looks dark compared to the other Pistol on page 117. Hopefully other 1945 Norwegian Pistols will show up.

Here's a better picture of the Kongsberg Kontrolloffiser "JB" initials stamped on the upper left side trigger guard.





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I was sitting outside of a gun show some years back and a fellow next to me had one. He thought it was worth quite a bit, but it was kind of rough even for an old War gun.
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Stan, The paint on the grips of your Norwegian 1945 shows practically no wear. I wonder if some of the paint or dark varnish used on the grips was also applied to the metal on some of these guns.
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Stan, The paint on the grips of your Norwegian 1945 shows practically no wear. I wonder if some of the paint or dark varnish used on the grips was also applied to the metal on some of these guns.
saintclair,

There seems to be variations in the cut of the Kongsberg Stocks, but not in the (most of the) wood or stain.? The wood appears a type of porous soft wood.? With a dark brown/black stain. Most likely, stocks are covered/explained in KONGSBERG-COLTEN? Will check again to see if there is info on the stocks in the book.

Most likely, Forum viewers will not have
KONGSBERG-COLTEN, however, many should have the Clawson GM book. There are pictures of Kongsberg stocks on pages 176 -180. Note the changes in the checkering,---16+/- on the M/1912 (No59) and the 1924, 13+/- on the 1941, and 9+/- on this one and the 1945 (No 29961). Will try to put up pictures of 1927, 1941, and this 1945 stocks.

BTW, the irregular dark patches on this 1945 are due (most likely) to dried oil in the parkerizing bloom. (Did dab some of those areas with acetone, it did not change the color much...just dried it out. (Not a good idea to rub the bloom.) Most likely this 1945 is not coated with anything other than Rig/oil. (The 1941 Kongsberk Pistols were/are painted with a "black enamel finish". Might be able to get pictures of this Early 1945 with a 1941, in the same frame/lighting, for comparison.)

Here's a picture (there are two other Pictures of the same area above in post #1, for comparison) of an area that some object irregularly rubbed the bloom off the slide just in front of the rear sight. Note the dark irregular finish for about an inch in the surrounding dark/dull bloom. Also, notice the removal of the bloom around the rear sight,---most likely,
occurred during sight installation.

(Working on some barrel pictures [and internal features] of this 1945.)


Best Regards,


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I understand that the stocks on the Kongsberg 1914 were black painted White Birch. It seems they have quite a bit of it in Norway.
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The stocks on my 1942 example are some type of yellowish hardwood with black enamel paint that us mostly worn off all of the high spots. I have seen a lot of M1914's like that.

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The stocks on my 1942 example are some type of yellowish hardwood with black enamel paint that us mostly worn off all of the high spots. I have seen a lot of M1914's like that.
Walter Rego,

Nice PISTOL and RIG !! Thanks for the picture!

It looks like your rear sight (light color) was installed after the Pistol (slide) was finished.? If you can, show us the other side.?

Best Regards,


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Here is part of an internet article by Beetle about the Norwegian 1911.

Norway production began at Kongsberg Vapenfabrikk, the government weapons factory in Kongsberg, located about 45 miles from Oslo. The Norwegians redesigned the slide stop to make it easier to operate with one hand. To accommodate this change a small section of the left grip was cut out.

Kongsberg Vapenfabrikk manufactured well over 20,000 units of the M1914 in the period between 1914-1940. Early examples had a nice blue finish (although nowhere near as fine as Colt’s finish on early Government Models). However by 1938 the clouds of war had gathered in Europe and Kongsberg switched to a faster and less labor intensive phosphate and enamel finish.
In 1940 the Germans invaded and quickly occupied Norway. The factory was captured and kept in operation to produce weapons for Nazi use. M1914 pistols and Krag rifles produced at the factory were transferred to Armeoberkommando Norwegen (Norwegian Army Command). Most of these weapons were used by German or Norwegian Quisling forces (Norwegians that collaborated with Germany). The M1914 pistol was designated as the Pistole 657(n) by the Germans.
By 1945 the end was near. The German Army Weapons Office (Heereswaffenamt) ordered the Kongsberg factory to gear up for the final Allied invasion as no resupply from Germany was possible. Even though M1914 pistols had been produced for the German war effort since 1940, it was only in 1945 that the Nazi waffenamt was added to the stamps.

A WaA84 waffenamt was applied to the slide and barrel indicating that the gun passed inspection
Norway was liberated on May 8, 1945 bringing an end to German occupation in Norway. After the war a few hundred additional pistols were manufactured, but without the Nazi waffenamt. In 1947 the production of the M1914 pistol by Kongsberg Vapenfabrikk was discontinued permanently. In total approximately 32,000 Norwegian M1914 pistols were produced, 8,223 during Nazi occupation. Of the 8,223 made for the Germans, only 920 had the waffenamt applied – marking the gun as a Nazi “1911.”

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Hi, Grandma warned me about hanging with bad companions. I have been following this thread and I am now lusting for a Norwegian Colt. I tried laying down in a dark room but it didn't help. Great info and great pictures, Thanx, regards, Mike
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She's a beautiful specimen of Norwegian WWII militaria Stan !!

Thanks for sharing it with us...

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The Norwegian 1911's are quite scare these days. I am old enough to recall when they were first imported into the US and the prices were below $100. You are fortunate if you can find one these days in the $1000-$2000 range.
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The Barrel in the early Waffenamt 1945 above. Looks like it has two inspection stamps.


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Stan, Great photos!! These will be very helpful to anyone who finds one of these 1945 Norwegians.
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So what is the consensus of ye esteemed forum members on that odd slide stop? :confused:
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Thank You All for the kind remarks.

Here's some more of this 1945. Note the cutout for the disconnector, the early style firing pin stop, and the elimination of the MSH lanyard loop.

(Will try to post some pictures of this 1945 with the 1941 for color contrast. And, some pictures of a 1927 with all of it's numbered parts.)


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So what is the consensus of ye esteemed forum members on that odd slide stop? :confused:
A Vote for "works great,...lasts a long time" !?;)
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I have a short thumb, so the modified slice stop suits me well.
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Considering that only around 33,000 M1914 pistols were made during the production span of some 32 or so years compared to the millions of M1911 and M1911A1's made from 1911-45 you would think the Norwegian pistols would bring much more money than they typically do. I think they are underappreciated, historic pistols and their story is an important chapter in the history of the M1911 and M1911A1 variants.
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