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I have many friends who do not like guns. Should I un-friend them because of their choice? I do not think so.

Ebay is a great marketplace for gun parts. I suspect their lawyers have advised them to not allow the sale of entire guns (frames) on their website.
These same lawyers are the ones who would be very happy to bring suits against ebay if someone purchased a gun off ebay and used it in a crime.
Blame the lawyers!!
 

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I just wanted to add one more point I forgot to mention about the FBG. If there is any doubt of intent, which I don't think there is, just look at some of the guns he has sold in the past lol. I remember seeing about 95%, yes about 95% (just by what was actually showed lol) Colts listed as NIB or LNIB with a "fresh brand spanking new box and paperwork" numbered to the gun :(. I remember some of us laughing at these auctions. Of course if I see a gun for sale by him anymore, I don't even click on it anymore, no need to waste my time.
I personally think it is good to keep the word flowing about fakes and who sells them. Because just about every thread which is started about this, at LEAST one more person has learned about this and is appreciative. I've had people thank me for informing them (even a few gun dealers), and I've had some people share their bad "experiences".
I agree with John that most fakes do not hurt the value of original pieces, however great fakes do if there are enough of them. I know a buddy who used to deal in certain confederate items and the fakes killed much of that market UNLESS VERY rare instances where the items are fully documented historical provenience from the families, etc. There are quite a few dealers around here whom still deal in Union stuff but will not touch most of the confederate stuff because all say literally 99%+ of the pieces out there said to be original are fakes, and on alot of them, the "Experts" cannot even agree on. My buddy had a super rare piece which this happened to, he even bought it from "the family estate" but didn't have documentation going back far enough to get everyone on board. If he could have gotten "everybody" to sign off on it, he would have had a Super Valuable Piece, I think he said only 4 or 5 are known to exist (authenticated). Of course they have been faking confederate stuff for 60-70/+ years from what he says. He stills deals a little in the Union stuff and basically "some Confederate looking stuff", but most turn their nose up at it simply because why buy something that you know odds are it is 99% fake. He says he can't blame them either. I remember someone talking on here about some of the highly collectible toy markets eventually just about being destroyed from all the good fakes. I know absolutely nothing about either one lol, but my buddy does know alot about the first I mentioned. There is no question IF the market was flooded by a bunch of repop boxes which the difference weren't able to be seen, the NIB collectible gun market would suffer. I hope that never happens because I love these guns.
 

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Unfortunately it is happening because many people buy the fake,put thier gun in it,put it in the safe,and there it will live for years.Most people take it at face value that it is real and another fake enters the marketplace. I am glad I have the views I do.I buy a Colt for my "Accumulation" to shoot it.The "box" has no real intrinsic value to me as none of my guns are collectable.I am in the market for a plastic Colt Box for the practical reason of having a case if one needs to be shipped back to Colt for work. If it is a "fake" Colt case who cares as long as it will suit the purpose of shipping.
 

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Unfortunately it is happening because many people buy the fake,put thier gun in it,put it in the safe,and there it will live for years.Most people take it at face value that it is real and another fake enters the marketplace. I am glad I have the views I do.I buy a Colt for my "Accumulation" to shoot it.The "box" has no real intrinsic value to me as none of my guns are collectable.I am in the market for a plastic Colt Box for the practical reason of having a case if one needs to be shipped back to Colt for work. If it is a "fake" Colt case who cares as long as it will suit the purpose of shipping.

Good point. Original boxes mean everything to some people and nothing to others. If I were going to buy a Colt python tomorrow to go out and shoot I would seek a nice used unboxed gun for hundreds less than a nib example. I tell my customers the same thing, don't buy a NIB 40 year old gun to take to the range, unless you can stand the immediate depreciation. Buy smart based on your wants and needs.

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John that is why I am not in the "Collector" category.For some it is great that They just want to keep NIB examples and if that is what makes them happy God Bless Them. I would love to have a shooter grade Python but I can't justify spending that much money when I have a Peacekeeper 4 inch 357 magnum that I shoot evry once in awhile and totally enjoy. I do have a example of a totally original Detective Special box that was given to me from a dealer I send alot of buisness to in the course of my pistol classes.I was at his store and made a casual comment about the rediculous prices D.S. boxes were going for.He smiled,flipped a box to me, and asked "Like this One?" As I went to take out my wallet he said "For all the Buisness you have sent me it is yours.Karma has been very good to me.My other FFL friend handed me a set of 1963 Diamond J frame grips and said "Early Merry Christmas".They live on my Model 36 Classic Chiefs Special.BTW the case I am looking at came from a estate sale and is from 1993.That is a good year because it was the year I met Ginny.......Mike
 

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With the explosion of fake boxes it is best to not let the box into the equation.You are buying a GUN NOT A CARDBOARD BOX.I have gotten much better @ spotting the fakes and I have refrained from bidding due to the fake box, hang tag ect even though the gun was good.If more people did this then the practice would slow down
QUOTE=Toidroid;506049]What I have taken from the many box discussions on the forum is that I do not know how to tell if the box is fake. Therefore, I have no business paying anything extra for a gun because it has a box.[/QUOTE]
 
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