[Wyatt Burp]

Squealing tires on a graval road. Indians speaking harvard english. Cowboys wearing new spotless cloths in the middle of the desert and hats like you could win at a fair.
Knock out sexy women with cloths from fredericks in the middle of no where. Ever see a horse pooping on tv? Ever see a indian smile except when they are skinning someone?

LOL!! Indians are also always masters of the metaphor when speaking. And anyone who is even part indian is automatically a master tracker. Mexicans in villages all wear the same white pajamas and they are never dirty. If you own a ranch your wife or husband has to die or already be dead (Bonanza, High Chaparral, Lancer, The Virginian). If you are romantically involved with the son or daughter of one of these ranchers you will die by the end of the episode. Didn't we through this once before, Merrill? You had tones of these clichés down.

 

[Tranter45]

Hows about The Man from the Alamo? Glen Ford was packing a '73 SAA.

Forget the name but a show I saw a couple years back this turkey was searching a house. As he jumped into each of several rooms he racked his scattergun. No cartridges ejected. Chasing bad guys with an empty weapon could get you in deep trouble.

 

[UncleEd]

But one thing is realistic in the Italian movies at least. Every round fired causes a ricochet.

 

[Jim Martin]

One of my pet peeves is when they show the bullets "sparking" when they hit wood or some other material that has no metal in it bullets are lead they don't "spark",another peeve is when they draw the gun & add a "swooshing" sound effect,I've drawn a gun more times than I can count & never heard it "swoosh" one more is when they open the cyl. on a DA & spin it & it makes a sound like a SA.

 

[Wyatt Burp]

One of my pet peeves is when they show the bullets "sparking" when they hit wood or some other material that has no metal in it bullets are lead they don't "spark",another peeve is when they draw the gun & add a "swooshing" sound effect,I've drawn a gun more times than I can count & never heard it "swoosh" one more is when they open the cyl. on a DA & spin it & it makes a sound like a SA.

There's a lot of "swooshing" in Young Guns when Emilio Estevez spins his guns around. How come in real life it takes 80 stab wounds to kill someone but in movies they always fall down instantly when someone throws it into them? How come there was a tractor trailer or camper behind Shane in the distance when he first rode up to the Starrett ranch, (removed in the DVD version)?

 

[Signal_20]

I also like it when in the movies when they shoot at the car behind the the bullet always blows the hood up in the air like explosive rounds.

 

[saintclair]

I seem to recall that on the TV series "The Big Valley" they often used modern Marlin lever actions.

 

[dogface6]

Movies and TV were certainly a helluva lot more entertaining before we figured all this stuff out...

 

[royal]

I pick up on most of the wrong guns, clothing, etc. in westerns but if you want to see the real thing watch the 1940 "Arizona" with Jean Arthur and William Holden. The clothes are right for the Civil War period and the guns are not repros. There is an 1860 Henry and the 2 bad guys are carrying a pair of ivory handled Colt's 1860 Armies and a pair of double action Starrs.

 

[El Bibliotecario]

JohnnyP wrote:

"Gene Autry lived in a time warp in which there were station wagons and airplanes, but horses were still the primary mode of transportation. One of his better movies had Indians carrying military 03-A3 rifles."

As a kid I always delighted in the presence of motor vehicles in the Gene Autry movies. What is the name of this film? It sounds like something I need to see.

I always thought M1903A3 rifles were produced for training, arming allied armies, etc. Now I find not only were they used in the John Wayne movie made during wartime, THE FIGHTING SEABEES, but were also issued to Hollywood Indians. Did the indians also have bayonets? Having learned that, I may enhance my M1903A3 with some brass tack ***** decoration on the buttstock and tie an eagle feather to the stacking swivel.

Recently I watchd a parade of singing cowboy movies with Tex Ritter, studying the costumes. The amount of carved leather gunbelts, cuffguards, etc, by todays prices probably equalled the entire movie budget.​

 

[dogface6]

The '03A3's were also in 'the Wild Bunch' - along with a Star in a WWII M3 shoulder holster masking as a Model 1911, an M1917A1 Watercooled Browning Machinegun, and several Enfield revolvers masking as period.

They did get the washers right...

 

[Wyatt Burp]

I pick up on most of the wrong guns, clothing, etc. in westerns but if you want to see the real thing watch the 1940 "Arizona" with Jean Arthur and William Holden. The clothes are right for the Civil War period and the guns are not repros. There is an 1860 Henry and the 2 bad guys are carrying a pair of ivory handled Colt's 1860 Armies and a pair of double action Starrs.

Right. that one was as real as it gets. They even built what became Old Tucson for the movie. As I recall, William Holden wore two Remingtons, the one on the left in cross draw style.

 

[kenhwind]

The Star 9mm was used as a subsitute for the 1911 because it actualy functioned with blanks whereas the Colt was sporadic.

In "The Wild Bunch" they did use 1911s, except during the action scenes. And yes the 03A3 is out of date as is the 1917 BMG. But at least they loaded their guns before the final bloodbath, and Bill Holden is shown reloading the Star.

 

[MG34_Dan]

In "The Wild Bunch" they did use 1911s, except during the action scenes. And yes the 03A3 is out of date as is the 1917 BMG. But at least they loaded their guns before the final bloodbath, and Bill Holden is shown reloading the Star.

Actually The Wild Bunch Browning WCMG is a model 1917A1, s/n 693798, and was purpose built by Rock Island Arsenal in 1945. It has the late WWII RIA attributes of steel trunnion and steel front cap. This is a well known movie gun. See here: Wild Bunch, The - Internet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video Games

FYI; Early purpose built RIA 1917A1s and converted 1917s would have had brass trunnions and brass front caps. All 1917A1s have the "new" style bottom plate with eight rivets per side. By contrast, true 1917s have bottom plates that are dovetail fit into the side plates and use no side plate attachment rivets. '17s also had hi-top wooden grip plates while '17A1s used short Bakelite grip plates.

 

[Wyatt Burp]

Dan, I completely forgive them for using that gun even though it's a couple years early like they said. They sure used a lot of blanks and fake blood for that great scene.

 

[El Bibliotecario]

I'm glad someone brought up THE WILD BUNCH, which, like the singing cowboy westerns, juxtaposed a modern era with machine guns and automobiles with cowboys. I can only wonder why, instead of Holden, Sam Peckinpaw didn't cast Gene Autry as Pike Bishop.

RE usage of blanks in THE WILD BUNCH: Someone who knew Peckinpaw warned his gun man he wasn't bringing enough blank rounds to the Mexican location. The gun man ignored him, ran out, and was fired.

 

[Wyatt Burp]

I'm glad someone brought up THE WILD BUNCH, which, like the singing cowboy westerns, juxtaposed a modern era with machine guns and automobiles with cowboys. I can only wonder why, instead of Holden, Sam Peckinpaw didn't cast Gene Autry as Pike Bishop.

RE usage of blanks in THE WILD BUNCH: Someone who knew Peckinpaw warned his gun man he wasn't bringing enough blank rounds to the Mexican location. The gun man ignored him, ran out, and was fired.

Gene Autry even had to deal with a robot once, inbetween songs. I'd loved to have seen Gene Autry in full B-western attire blasting away at the end of the Wild Bunch with blood gushing out everywhere.

 

[RacingSnake]

There was a WWII movie out a year or two ago - I can't remember the name but the Browning Hi-Power in the one scene had Pachmayr grips on...ha ha ha

 

[kenhwind]

I thought Bill holden was perfect for the role of Pike Bishop, although Lee Marvin was Peckinpaws first choice. Actually the whole cast of "The Wild Bunch" was quite good IMO.

The Winchester Model 1912 in the begining would also be incorrect, because I do not think that U.S. Ordnance adopted the Model 12 until WWII. But hey we nitpickin a movie that at least tried to be period correct.

 

[Chaffee]

'The Wild Bunch' is a favorite film of mine. So is Peckinpaw's 'Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia'. And I've always liked Warren Oates.