[John74]

Hi,

I've got the subject but can't find any reference to it anywhere.
Does anyone know if this is a standard Colt manufacture, or has it been modified?
...also is it rare, or fairly common? (guestimates as to its value would be appreciated)
It's in good mechanical shape but very little evidence of bluing (a lot of patina but no rust)

Thanks for any info.

John74

 

[dkay62]

Hi John,

Welcome to the Colt Forum!
It is very difficult to assess your revolver without good detailed photos.
If you could attach some, I am sure you would get some meaningful responses from forum members.

Thanks

 

[John74]

Hi John,

Welcome to the Colt Forum!
It is very difficult to assess your revolver without good detailed photos.
If you could attach some, I am sure you would get some meaningful responses from forum members.

Thanks

Thanks Doug, I'll post some photos when I get more time.

 

[stanforth]

Are you sure it is a Colt?
If so... Does t have a rebated cylinder? If the answer to both questions is yes, you probabley have a 'Pocket Navy' or to gige it it's propper name a 'Pocket pistol of Navy Calibre' This is one from my collection...

 

[John74]

Yep, it has "Colts Patent" in a couple of places.
The cylinder has engravings on it.
The brass just above the trigger guard on the left hand side has "36 Cal" imprinted and it looks exactly like you photos (with a lot more patina).
I'm not sure how to tell a rebated cylinder, but this one doesn't look like its been modified (unless by the factory).

 

[fingersmcgee]

Not sure on how many Pocket Navies were made with the 4 1/2 inch barrel; but, it is not uncommon.

 

[stanforth]

Yep, it has "Colts Patent" in a couple of places.
The cylinder has engravings on it.
The brass just above the trigger guard on the left hand side has "36 Cal" imprinted and it looks exactly like you photos (with a lot more patina).
I'm not sure how to tell a rebated cylinder, but this one doesn't look like its been modified (unless by the factory).

A rebated cylinder (see the images) is one with the front of the cylinder larger in diamiter than the rear. The other percussion Colt to have this is the 1860 Army.

 

[stanforth]

Not sure on how many Pocket Navies were made with the 4 1/2 inch barrel; but, it is not uncommon.

I've never seen any other barrel legnth on a Pocket Navy.

 

[fingersmcgee]

Go here to see a bunch that don't have 4 1/2 inch barrels

colt pocket navy revolver - Bing Images

 

[John74]

Thanks everyone, it's been IDed. Colt 1862 Pocket Navy Revolver.
After I "clean it up" I'll post pictures.

Thanks again.

 

[Landspeedracer]

My memory has been beat around a little and I would not bet on it and sure wish I had made a written log and a pictorial log to back it up but having owned over 200 mostly all Colt Cap and Ball Revolvers over the last few years and I think the Pocket Navy is similar to the 1849 Pocket Pistol which occasionally you see in the 6" barrel. I think I have had the Pocket Navy in 4.5 and 6.5 I had one in 5.5 and at that time thought it was modified or ultra ultra rare but after excited research found out like man says the Pocket Model Of Navy Caliber was built in all three lengths and I think that they were also produced in .36 and also .38 cal.
The only real rarity that in equal condition to another in like condition is one serial numbered above the high 19,000'S because this was well into the advent of the of the metallic cartridge guns they are much rarer with very few built or purchased after the Colt SAA went on the market.
And I could be wrong.

 

[Blackjack33]

I don't believe that the first generation Model 1862 had a "C" prefix in the serial number.

 

[John74]

Mine doesn't have a "C" prefix, just the numbers. One net site designated serial #s by prefixing them with a C, I just went along.
After everybody IDed it I googled it and found some pretty good links:

Colt Model 1862 Pocket Navy - Five-Shot Percussion Revolver - History, Specs and Pictures - Military, Security and Civilian Guns and Equipment
&
Antique Arms, Inc. - Colt Model 1862 Pocket Navy Revolver --Mfd in 1862--

 

[Landspeedracer]

None of my cap and ball revolvers have ever had a C prefix that I remember. Later model cartridge guns maybe even a Python did.

 

[stanforth]

Go here to see a bunch that don't have 4 1/2 inch barrels

colt pocket navy revolver - Bing Images

No. I see a lot of pocket Colts with and without rammer. I see several Cartidge conversions but the only Pocket Navies I see have 4 1/2 inch barrels.
Mind you it could be my aging eyesight.

 

[stanforth]

My error. There are two with longer barrels. There are a lot of .38 Rimfires labeled as Pocket Navy.

 

[jimc00]

John

Don't clean the revolver. Post pictures first.

There have been many guns that have been significantly reduced in value and collectibility by well intentioned cleaning.

 

[John74]

It has a light coating of rust on the barrel. I've ordered some mineral spirits and got some 0000 steel wool to go over it lightly - shouldn't harm anything.

 

[John74]

Here's some photos, thought it a good idea to show a before and after cleaning.
I've thrown in the display with the derringers, they're going to be a lot harder to ID as they have virtually no markings.

 

[surefire m2]

Are you sure it is a Colt?
If so... Does t have a rebated cylinder? If the answer to both questions is yes, you probabley have a 'Pocket Navy' or to gige it it's propper name a 'Pocket pistol of Navy Calibre' This is one from my collection...

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Look's like you have a nice collection!